Junior man vs 117
 

The Spirit MEC and scheduling committee have decided that 117 prohibits JA (JRM) unless you get 10 hours rest after the phone call. Over on the Spirit BBoard, we got a firefight going on about this and whether or not 117 allows short time trip pick up.

Does your carrier give 10 hrs after a junior man call?

Does your carrier allow you to call screwschedule and pick up with less than ten hours to report time?

There is absolutely no way that can be correct?

We (Delta) are allowed to pick up with less than 10 hrs, but that is because the 117 says that you are responsible for the rest. The company can't assign you anything without 10 hrs prior rest. The difference is voluntary and assigned. I'm not sure what junior manned is.

The reg has rules for "long call" and "short call" reserve. If you're "long call" the phone call is to tell you to start resting.

Seems you are asking two different things, one scenario is a JM in which scheduling calls you and the other scenario is just a pilot picking up a trip he sees in open time that may report in a short time frame?

If the company FORCES an assignment on you, then they would need to give you 10 hours prior.

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My understanding of the regs: If you're solicited in any manner by scheduling to work a trip on an off day you need 10 hours of rest from that call. If you pick it up on your own without a call from scheduling you are self-affirming the needed rest.

So based on that... there's no legal way to get a JRM trip in compliance with the SPA CBA.

Correct.

Most of these questions can be answered by referencing the ALPA "Guide to 117."

Q-32. A flightcrew member is on days off. Can the company call him for a flight assignment?
A-32. Yes. If the flightcrew member answers the call, the
company can assign him to flight duty. However, the
Company must give the flightcrew the required 10-hour
rest period and then place the crewmember on short call
reserve.

Q-33. Can a flightcrew member who is on days off voluntarily elect to
pick up a trip from open time?
A-33. Yes. This is not prohibited by the regulation so long as the
flightcrew member is rested, fit for duty, within applicable
limits for duty and flight time, and prepared to perform the
assigned duties.

Well, what if I I have been off for 4 days with plenty of rest and I get called for a JA? (Ex. Hey, can you make it to the airport in 2 hrs?), you mean to tell me I can't say yes?, I have to wait 10hrs?, that's ridiculous if that's how it is

The issue is, C/S doesn't "force" a JA on us,they call and ask "if" we can do it. When I have been JA, the conversation goes like this, "hey Joe, this is xxxxx from scheduling, are you able to do the MCO turn tonight, show time is 3 hrs from now?" - how is that "forcing"?

Well, they could JA you 10 hours out, but its a moot point. As soon as that FLICA alert goes out there will be no shortage of volunteers. Like others here have already said, you have to call them, they can't call you.