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Those who dis me for saying it's all a crap shoot......well, seriously......It's all a crap shoot. All we can do is check as many boxes as we can, prepare as much as we can and then at some point it is completely out of our hands......But I would say, there is one thing that we do have ultimate control over, and that's our positive attitude.....so keep it.......and ultimately the big man up stairs has a plan and we have to trust in him.......Good luck all......

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Originally Posted by paintyourjet (Post 1616177)

20 years from now, most of the best and worst airlines will trade places.

For what I hear from friends working there, it might not be that far down the road......! LOL

Every time SW turns down someone, God kills a kitten :eek: Well written letter but IMO, take it like a man, have some military bearing. Turned down, roger that, move on. Just my .02!

Maybe it's time that something be said. After all it takes lots of time to fill out a application. Maybe the least that should be expected is a polite response. My least favorite saying, that's just the way it is. I call BS and enough.
You ever wonder how the 1% seem to control the other 99%? It's because we let them and just sit and take it.

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1616217)

I even agree with shoelu..

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!

Can't ever get enough of WHACKMASTER.

Two observations: he's in the same boat as Napolean and the Wizard of Oz with a severe self esteem problem. It's sad that he couldn't get hired at SWA and now he's ****ed to be acquired. It's the same that he tells everyone how great it is at all of the other airlines--but doesn't have the will or ability to go to one of those airlines himself. It's a shame since that would make everyone happy.

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Originally Posted by twentyretardten (Post 1615887)

Give me a break. Don't you get it, he doesn't give a ****** what they think. Thanks for sharing and wish I would have thought about that after getting a rejection email from AA. What turds having people spend many hours itemizing time and filling out a psych eval just to apply. Would rather them just say "non fighter pilots need not apply".

What part would you eliminate, filling out your flying experience or the psych eval?

The number of fighter pilots getting hired is probably less than 25% and could be much lower so that's not a requirement.

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Originally Posted by A320Flyer (Post 1615812)

Not sure what the allure about going to SW nowadays is. Yes, yes. I get it, they make descent money. But I'm not sure that does it for me. Came to Spirit 7 years ago, been left seat for almost 2 (flying with my favorite captain!), got my guaranteed 4 days off in a row per the CBA, work some OT and credit an average of 110 hours a month (not bad money at all). Currently half way up the list in base, and almost top third of the master list. Descent layovers (just spent 24 hours in a Cabo resort), excellent crews (and some very young, fun, hottie F/A's). Aggressive growth, new jets, profitable business model (read ATW's "The New Southwest?" article). You don't need a Space Shuttle type-rating, or be an alumnus of the Fighter Weapons School to be eligible, although it might be a plus. Many ex-World, Omni, DHL and most recently expats from Etihad and Emirates are being hired. 24 a month.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated. But might be worth a shot.

When you are willing to work as a captain for FO wages, you should never, ever complain that the industry has screwed you in any way. You seem happy to be flying where you are and getting paid what you are. I would never take that kind of pay cut and loss of future earnings. I think that is what most people will not say to you. I am glad you enjoy your job. I'm sorry that many like you will continue to be a downward pressure on our pay and benefits. At least the looming shortage will likely counter that pressure.

*not a personal attack. You asked, I answered.*

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Originally Posted by milky (Post 1616456)

Milky;

I think that's being just a little unfair. It wasn't too long ago that spirit's rates were in line with the lower end of the legacies and the upper end of the nationals (still true). He upgraded in a short time and enjoys some seniority at an airline that has a very successful business model. Just because he isn't at the top of the food chain does not make him a sellout or someone who settled. IMO, his QOL and career potential both look better than a SWA new hire's. But that's just me.

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1616464)

I do not think SWA is the place to be going right now either. Spirit, SWA, LCC... Downward pressure on wages. Tell yourself that you have better QOL while you try to scrape by. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be happy he has a job. I'm just saying there are plenty of us out here that value our time and experience more. I wish him the best of luck. Just don't ever let me catch somebody like him wondering what happened to the glory days where pilots were well-compensated and treated like professionals.