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73sw 04-26-2014 04:00 AM

The government is in control of a lot more than the gates in DAL. True competition would have open entry to all airports and all countries for any carrier. We as pilots really don't want this. The current situation is the best for our career since '78. The less competition and whipsaw the better.

tsquare 04-26-2014 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1630596)
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It's commercial air travel where three carriers now control an overwhelming majority of air travel. These three could easily crush any and all LCC pressure/money by putting up even more lobbying pressure/money. The government approved each and every single legacy major and made these carriers the stable three carriers they are today. It's just simply checks and balances to ensure the travelling public gets good competition from everyone, not just three legacy carriers.

No problem with that. Just keep the middle east state sponsored/state supported airlines out of it, and you have a deal. But your assertion of competition among "LCCs" is folly. You even said so yourself. We could crush them easily. Even the darling holding the monopoly at DAL would be in trouble if we were allowed in there...

Rolf 04-26-2014 11:51 PM

Well, crush us into bankruptcy. Which would allow us to shed debt, return to Dallas and crush you back into bancruptcy. That in turn, would...well, you get my drift. Without the government rules, the only thing you would be crushing is beer cans. At least acknowledge the fact that the government laws are written to keep corporations alive when free market forces would have ended them.

Bucking Bar 04-27-2014 04:29 AM

I wonder how an airline with a penchant for thumbing it's nose at the DOJ rules (foreign ownership, reporting) wins anything at the DOJ.

Packrat 04-27-2014 07:01 AM

I guess they need those gates for the service they're pulling out of PHL Oct. 6.

Sink r8 04-27-2014 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1631218)
I wonder how an airline with a penchant for thumbing it's nose at the DOJ rules (foreign ownership, reporting) wins anything at the DOJ.

You answered your own question. Seems to be a matter of tradition, for VX.

On one side of the equation, a lot of nerve. On the other, ineptitude and apathy means the DOJ can't/won't enforce rules. All this does, is to take the abdication of responsibilities to its' logical conclusion.

ShyGuy 04-27-2014 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1631218)
I wonder how an airline with a penchant for thumbing it's nose at the DOJ rules (foreign ownership, reporting) wins anything at the DOJ.

??? VX has complied with all DOT restrictions regarding foreign ownership. It also reports what is required for a private company in terms of DOT requirements.

CanoePilot 04-27-2014 08:52 AM

Not giving va these gates would have been better for them. They are going to go head to head with aa, swa and others for business travelers. Those are a different group than the usual bay area hipster va caters to.

If va can't make this work is over for them.

Packrat 04-27-2014 10:02 AM

Not enough hipsters in PHL, I guess.

ShyGuy 04-27-2014 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Packrat (Post 1631404)
Not enough hipsters in PHL, I guess.

No, not enough planes for the new DAL flying. Reallocation of the fleet and Philly might come back as more planes come next year.


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