No one told me there would be French on this thread.

The Cathay pilots don't have a union, so I doubt they'll get their jobs back. This isn't the first time for that group either... Remember the "49 ers" who supposedly lost their job for organizing a union? FYI, it wasn't for the union drive, it was for trying to stop the Cathay crews from doing their chem work.. CX management likes the subsidy that chem seeding provided. I imagine other airlines like their cut and won't keep too many guys on board who aren't fully "on board".

This thread has already gone on way too long, I hope you guys are masking your IP addresses.

It's this new generation and their entitlement mentality. Remember the days where you had to get the books out, calculate various mixtures and nozzle delivery settings, then precisely set the valves by hand? Now these kids just dump whatever's on the release into the box, press the Auto Spray button, and go back to listening to Katy Perry or whatever garbage s **t that's playing through their hipster-ass Apple device.

Sickening.

You know what I'm sick of? The Captains that refuse to let me be the designated dispenser!!!! Our manual states that the non-flying pilot is to program the CDU dispensing computer for that leg. But before I get a chance to do it, the CA always plugs HIS employee number into the ACARS to activate the CDU, ensuring that HE's the one getting paid the tax free bonus for it, and not me!!! Come on guys, let your poor, broke FO's make some cash, and quit being so d@mned greedy! Some times, while he's sleeping en-route, I quietly re-program it with MY employee number, and spray away! hehe... Can't wait for those old gummers to get out of my seat, so I can finally make some spray-dough!

How much override are you guys getting on one 3 hour flight for spraying the chem-packs? What is industry average on this?

30% base pay (minus Per Diem), tax free.
Oh yeah, and ALPA takes a cut of that too.

Don't forget, Dow Chemical gives us a nice Tupperware set once you've distributed 25 tons of aluminum boron. And SC Johnson gives us a nice gift certificate for 10 tons of sulfur dioxide distributed. I have yet to get Monsanto's case of Roundup incentive, and I'm not sure how much glyphosate you have to dispense to get it.

I can't believe you guys...

The first rule about chem trails. You don't talk about the chem trails.

Second rule about chem trails... YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE CHEM TRAILS!

The normies could find out the truth.

The 727's were pretty good, but nothing like the old DC-8's. It was dirty spray back then, but really effective. I remember they used to call it "smog" the next morning on the news. I was at L.A. Center and I remember Upsco always launching a couple sprayers every night out of ONT, one laying down from LAX up to Bakersfield, and another LAX down to SAN. Left, right, left, right, all night long. Kept us ATC awake, anyway. Good times.

THIS! ^^^^^

You guys had better S. T. F. Up or you are ALL going to jail! :eek:

BTW, stay out of the Emirates next week, I'll be spraying them again...

You heard about the MERS Camel virus? You're welcome!

Guys--we need to take this private. You all remember the last guy who spoke openly about this.

Yes, Tim Martins lost his airline job, his fire fighting job and his F-16 job. You'll also remember that they completely wiped his military record and his firemans record leaving him looking like a liar with no character.

BLUF: If you continue to speak openly about your chem trailing efforts, you could end up like Tim Martins and lose everything.

How would they know ... ?

... and why does Douglas always put the Dispenser handle on the Captain's side?

http://www.aviafilms.com/photos/md81-flight-deck.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3268/72292916.jpg

... you might say he just dove deeper into the conspiracy.

Just to change things up, sometimes (as an FO) I'd reach for the Dispenser handle with my right hand.

I called the move, "The Stranger."

So now he's looking for Malaysian 370?

Or...did he hijack it?? :eek:

I KNEW IT!

Only a pilot of his intellect and experience could have pulled that off!

I wonder where he took it, sold it to the Pakistani's maybe? Or the Syrians?

Maybe that's why we've been spraying the Middle East so much lately?

Timbo, I'd tear up, but they had to seal my ducts after some accidently dripped on me while doing the walk around.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_djW4TxD_R9...1600/Timmy.jpg

That cover story about being a F16 driving, 9/11 Fireman, Paramedic, Cat Saving Regional Airline Pilot was never going to fly after he had his picture taken with the Chem Trail Nozzle in plain view.

Yeah, that but also, how could he say he -saved- Cats, AND he flew for South West??

What a Moron! :rolleyes:

(I love the "W.T.F. is that?" look on his face, with his flashlight in the daytime)

It's called the trailing edge numb-nutz, and it's got a bird strike in it! Either write it up or fly faster!

http://makeagif.com/media/4-29-2014/0POAJK.gif

Yeah!

It is clearly the Captain's leg, which means the PM gets to turn on the sprayers, but look ... Cappy just reaches up and does it his damn self without even a courtesy, "hey, "i've got 'em."

And we keep getting all these damn procedures for the pumps on the 737. It was turn one on and crossfeed below 2,000 pounds, now we don't use the last 1,000 pounds unless the wings are below 5,000 pounds. We used to turn them on before start, but now have to wait for generators to be on line. I mean, we're brainwashing people with this stuff. How can they expect us to work with these chemicals and not be eeefected ourselves?

Chem Trail Democracy Guard (Registered Trade Mark) is kinda like cat nip. I think he's just making sure no cats have climbed up in the aerator. It's dark up there by the mufflaetor bearings.

Well, OK, but he's holding a left handed flashlight...with his RIGHT hand!:rolleyes:

Yeah ... there's that. Surprised he kept his job after that procedural gaffe.

That video hit's the nail on the head!!! LOL. That's pretty much how it goes down. I got especially peeved when they started reducing ferry fuel (that I had planned on using to blast a little faster during cruise) to allow for more weight in the chem tanks, but we're only allowed to disperse XXX amount of chems!?!? ***? Are we ferrying chems now too!?!?!?

You guys know this is a public forum, right?

Everything will be denied, yust like Washington does.

This is the fully encrypted side. Heck we would all be arrested if this stuff ever got out!

From a couple posts back, it looks like a flashlight but I have heard some airlines are handing out chem detectors that look like a flashlight to be used during the walk around when picking up an aircraft from the inbound crew. Since chem is supposed to be off in descent, any residual means procedures weren't followed. I doubt anyone would turn a guy in though, that wouldnt go over very well. Might be bs, just what I heard recently and it would help to explain why a guy would do a walk around in the daytime with a "flashlight." Good catch, but most regular types would never notice.

We're supposed to do that, but I run those dispensing tanks til they are bone dry. Then I transfer some fuel into them and dump that as well. By the time we land there isn't a trace of the chems anywhere and I know I don't have to walk around with the UV chem detector and arrouse suspicion.

Great idea!!! Now I have a new procedure to look forward to! Thanks!

Do you get scared that a chemtrail pump will cavitate and everything will go boom? Sometimes there is like 50lbs in there I then add the fuel to the tank so I don't go boom.

Disinformation agent attempting to learn details about the program.

Everybody in the program knows the nano tubes are printed with a hybrid helix programmed rectex action code that senses the first molecular stages of combustion and immediately secretes a non-volatile barrier that inhibits any chance of explosion.

You're probably just one of the envious jumpsuit wearing minions at the 49B Andromeda, 89X Tragen or 12A Nemisis staging bases. You guys sucking up to e Illuminati middle management make it tough for every other Chemtrail staging base.:mad:

If the general public ever really found out that those "contrails" behind our airplanes are 100% Dihydrogen Monoxide there would be mass hysteria. Especially when they realize the way that stuff contaminates the water supply.

There was an effort on college campuses to ban that stuff. Luckily the best agent provocateurs were able to throw the off the scent and distract them with all that occupy my student debt nonsense.

Ahhh, fail safe, bleed #1 and the APU bleed, perfect........

I think someone forgot to add the dispersion agent. Even if you forget to close the Prist misters prior to gear extension, it should not be that visible.

Leaving chemtrails in the 1960s was really dangerous. It was low altitude then. Check the video about 4:30 and watch F-100 fighters dropping CBU2 cluster bombs along side spraying aircraft in attempt to keep the bad guys from shooting at us. Glad it is all done at high altitude now. ;)

Operation Ranch Hand, UC-123B Defoliation Runs 221429-09 - YouTube

This is the most informative thread that I have ever read on any website. Ya'll should be proud of what you're doing for your country.

Thank you.

Thank you for your service as well. And if this ever finds its way out of the secure forum, I'll see you at The Hague.

There was a recent study going 'round the internets which said that stating facts to people who are entrenched in their beliefs actually makes them dig in deeper. Makes you wonder just how you'd convince these misguided conspiracy theorists how close-minded it is to believe in "chemtrails" when the evidence is readily available and easy to digest even for the science or aviation uninitiated.

*evidence, meaning, the simple explanation of what a contrail is.

Dude... I just picked up my "flashlight" from the equipment issue office. I am the only one p.o.'d about this thing? If they are going to give us a clandestine detector shaped like a flashlight, at least MAKE IT A FLASHLIGHT, TOO. It's all cool during the day. I'm sure no one is really going to notice me doing a preflight during daylight with a flashlight. But now at night, I have to carry this freaking thing, along with a REAL flashlight in order to preflight. Un-freaking-believable.

I don't know why they moved away from the older pen-style detector. I know it took 20 minutes to fully detect a leak, but at least I could carry it in my shirt pocket.

I'm emailing HB as soon as I get back from this trip. What a waste of $$$... :-(