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shadyops 07-08-2014 12:51 PM

DAL SEA base
 
Anyone know how long it would take for a 2014/2015 new hire to hold any position in SEA?

boog123 07-08-2014 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by shadyops (Post 1679936)
Anyone know how long it would take for a 2014/2015 new hire to hold any position in SEA?

Depends on many factors (new plane base, increase/decrease in block hours), but most junior FO is a Mid-2000 hire.

Qwyjibo 07-08-2014 03:13 PM

That's tough
 
The bottom dweller is around 10,600, or about 1,400 from the bottom of the overall seniority list. Latest crew bulletin said they'll be offering more SEA A330 positions. If some of the 7ER pilots move up to the 330, that may free up some more spots at or below the 10,600 mark.

I looked at a sample of the last few AEs, and the bottom seniority number for a SEA 7ER FO went from 9,881 in Jan 2014 to 10,335 in Feb, then 10,612 on the last AE, so the trend is moving in the right direction.

But as the last guy said, it's a crapshoot if they move the 717 there, or can get worse quickly if they downsize the 7ER there without a replacement. Can't see that happening with the growth in SEA.

My guess (just for fun) . . . one year.

forgot to bid 07-08-2014 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Qwyjibo (Post 1680035)
The bottom dweller is around 10,600, or about 1,400 from the bottom of the overall seniority list. Latest crew bulletin said they'll be offering more SEA A330 positions. If some of the 7ER pilots move up to the 330, that may free up some more spots at or below the 10,600 mark.

I looked at a sample of the last few AEs, and the bottom seniority number for a SEA 7ER FO went from 9,881 in Jan 2014 to 10,335 in Feb, then 10,612 on the last AE, so the trend is moving in the right direction.

But as the last guy said, it's a crapshoot if they move the 717 there, or can get worse quickly if they downsize the 7ER there without a replacement. Can't see that happening with the growth in SEA.

My guess (just for fun) . . . one year.

Good post and good point about the trend.

For perspective for an outside, 10,600 is a 2007 hire (2001 at NWA).

However, who the heck knows, the trend as Qwyjibo http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/funny/2/...y-emoticon.gif points out is trending towards SEA being within the reach of a new higher quicker than it used to be.

Green Banana 07-08-2014 06:36 PM

Alaska's Hiring:)

gloopy 07-08-2014 07:37 PM

That's a trick question because Seattle isn't a DL hub.


Wait...

SVA402 07-08-2014 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1680175)
That's a trick question because Seattle isn't a DL hub.


Wait...

I believe it officially reaches hub status at some point soon based upon the planned flight schedule.

forgot to bid 07-09-2014 02:18 AM


Originally Posted by SVA402 (Post 1680209)
I believe it officially reaches hub status at some point soon based upon the planned flight schedule.

Well, for the airline and for the pilots it's got a different meaning.

Per the contract:

“Delta hub” means ATL, CVG, DTW, JFK, LAX, LGA, MEM, MSP, SLC, and any other airport having a monthly average of at least 100 Delta scheduled flight departures per day.
Exception: SEA is not a Delta hub, regardless of the number of scheduled flight departures.


Because why? Because if SEA is considered a hub in the pilot contract then outsourcing to Alaska will not work well, therefore, SEA will never be a hub per the pilot contract.

gloopy 07-09-2014 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1680271)
Well, for the airline and for the pilots it's got a different meaning.

Per the contract:

[/INDENT]Because why? Because if SEA is considered a hub in the pilot contract then outsourcing to Alaska will not work well, therefore, SEA will never be a hub per the pilot contract.

Unless RA wants to send an even more powerful message to AS that they screwed up bad. Closing that hole in our scope, even if just to the degree that it will exist in 2015, and locking AS out of being even a potential massive DCI feeder with 737's like they used to be would send shockwaves through their investors.

shiznit 07-09-2014 08:59 AM

"Hub" for purposes of the DL-AK codeshare is different than being considered a DL "hub for flights" or a DL "pilot domicile".*


*I think the AK codeshare needs to be trimmed/ended, but that isn't the reality at present. Looks like it is trending that direction, might be a cheap time to buy tighter language there....


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