Come work for Allegiant…it's pure PLATINUM!
07-11-2014 | 12:11 PM
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Come work for Allegiant…it's pure PLATINUM!
Get to know what a true Platinum standard looks like, accountability and transparency beyond comparison! Unmatched quality of life, working conditions and benefits! Quick upgrades and high quality training in the best maintained equipment in the airline business!!!
Stop laughing.
Here's what you can really expect:
An insulting and unprofessional interview process
Inadequate training that has literally been shut down by the FAA and resulted in terminations, certificate action and resignations (feeling lucky?). Poor simulator support, rushed and minimal hours in training, old and outdated materials, inexperienced instructors, etc. Be ready for the excuses.
If you manage to get through, expect years of TDY you will be living in hotels while on reserve with un-commutable schedules.
While you are there, you will be jerked around every day by a scheduler that was just hired last week and will probably quit tomorrow. Like most other support functions, they have no idea what they are doing because turnover is so fast and middle managers are understaffed and overwhelmed. Expect a phone call at 4 am on your single day off to be junior assigned.
You won't have any control or visibility in to your schedule because our schedulers can't even figure out the Merlot PBS nightmare (keep track of your duty times because they can't, nor can they figure out seniority). Oh, and Merlot can't track your pay either.
Dispatch positions are also hired as apprentices and cut loose with little supervision. You're on your own out there so don't expect a call. Good luck getting more gas than the absolute minimum. No accounting for conditions enroute or arrival. Minimum legal.
Maintenance control, IT, Customer Service (contract), Ramp (contract), pubs, etc., are other agencies that are run on a shoestring budget with high turnover and frustration. You will be trying to catch their mistakes every day
Terribly maintained equipment with high engine failures, never ending flight control and flight guidance problems not being fixed by "apprentice mechanics" hired with no experience at sub-industry wages.
Being "pushed" and pressured to continue, even when you are stressed, fatigued or feeling the conditions are unsafe. Dispatch/scheduling: "are you refusing this assignment!?"
Punishing Management interrogations at corporate when you eventually stumble
It's no wonder the applications have slowed to a trickle and pilots are declining interviews. Management has ensured a very good chance of a strike. Now they have decided things are 'different' by designing TDY bases to accommodate the seasonal bumps our business plan uses. It has been our CEOs plan all along to create a highly mobile work force, (correction: flexible!) that can easily be moved between seasonal markets. We already have pilots that have been deployed for 18 months from home with very few chances to commute. Allegiant management couldn't care less about it's pilots and these policies are a clear example of that. Forced on us against a court-ordered status quo, despite our MEC's complaints, TDY basing was announced with virtually no specifics and only 2 days to bid. It was so unpopular that the left seat went to guys that were only signed off IOE in May. They probably have no idea what's in store for them.
All this for a thankless boss that offers the minimum (substandard compensation, work rules, and benefits), and staffs the operation to drive people to failure.
For those of us who have been here, the idea that a brand new hire, so badly trained, with so little experience in the shady -80 (very tough plane to fly), unaccustomed to the non-existent support, with broken planes, remote destinations and new hire FOs, this is very scary. ValueJet all over again (ValuGiant).
Unless you relish years of fatigue, frustration, disrespect, stress and risk (pink slip, Certificate action, accident, etc), don't come to Allegiant. Although our union is working hard at improving our conditions, it could be a long time before we get a contract and even then, we will still have the same management. There are too many other airlines out there that that recognize and value their employees. Many of our pilots, even relatively senior captains, are leaving because the conditions have become unbearable. In response, management simply shrugs their shoulders and presses on finding new ways to profit at the employees expense.
You have been warned.
Stop laughing.
Here's what you can really expect:
An insulting and unprofessional interview process
Inadequate training that has literally been shut down by the FAA and resulted in terminations, certificate action and resignations (feeling lucky?). Poor simulator support, rushed and minimal hours in training, old and outdated materials, inexperienced instructors, etc. Be ready for the excuses.
If you manage to get through, expect years of TDY you will be living in hotels while on reserve with un-commutable schedules.
While you are there, you will be jerked around every day by a scheduler that was just hired last week and will probably quit tomorrow. Like most other support functions, they have no idea what they are doing because turnover is so fast and middle managers are understaffed and overwhelmed. Expect a phone call at 4 am on your single day off to be junior assigned.
You won't have any control or visibility in to your schedule because our schedulers can't even figure out the Merlot PBS nightmare (keep track of your duty times because they can't, nor can they figure out seniority). Oh, and Merlot can't track your pay either.
Dispatch positions are also hired as apprentices and cut loose with little supervision. You're on your own out there so don't expect a call. Good luck getting more gas than the absolute minimum. No accounting for conditions enroute or arrival. Minimum legal.
Maintenance control, IT, Customer Service (contract), Ramp (contract), pubs, etc., are other agencies that are run on a shoestring budget with high turnover and frustration. You will be trying to catch their mistakes every day
Terribly maintained equipment with high engine failures, never ending flight control and flight guidance problems not being fixed by "apprentice mechanics" hired with no experience at sub-industry wages.
Being "pushed" and pressured to continue, even when you are stressed, fatigued or feeling the conditions are unsafe. Dispatch/scheduling: "are you refusing this assignment!?"
Punishing Management interrogations at corporate when you eventually stumble
It's no wonder the applications have slowed to a trickle and pilots are declining interviews. Management has ensured a very good chance of a strike. Now they have decided things are 'different' by designing TDY bases to accommodate the seasonal bumps our business plan uses. It has been our CEOs plan all along to create a highly mobile work force, (correction: flexible!) that can easily be moved between seasonal markets. We already have pilots that have been deployed for 18 months from home with very few chances to commute. Allegiant management couldn't care less about it's pilots and these policies are a clear example of that. Forced on us against a court-ordered status quo, despite our MEC's complaints, TDY basing was announced with virtually no specifics and only 2 days to bid. It was so unpopular that the left seat went to guys that were only signed off IOE in May. They probably have no idea what's in store for them.
All this for a thankless boss that offers the minimum (substandard compensation, work rules, and benefits), and staffs the operation to drive people to failure.
For those of us who have been here, the idea that a brand new hire, so badly trained, with so little experience in the shady -80 (very tough plane to fly), unaccustomed to the non-existent support, with broken planes, remote destinations and new hire FOs, this is very scary. ValueJet all over again (ValuGiant).
Unless you relish years of fatigue, frustration, disrespect, stress and risk (pink slip, Certificate action, accident, etc), don't come to Allegiant. Although our union is working hard at improving our conditions, it could be a long time before we get a contract and even then, we will still have the same management. There are too many other airlines out there that that recognize and value their employees. Many of our pilots, even relatively senior captains, are leaving because the conditions have become unbearable. In response, management simply shrugs their shoulders and presses on finding new ways to profit at the employees expense.
You have been warned.
Last edited by dawgdriver; 07-11-2014 at 12:28 PM.
07-11-2014 | 12:26 PM
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Telling people to stay away from Allegiant is like trying to tell that kid that wants to see the cockpit not to become a pilot. They think you're crazy.
Then they see the light after it's too late.
We're not trying to be the cranky captain that you think is delusional. We're just trying to be up front about what you're about to sign up for.
I've been here for years and I can honestly say it's like flying for a cheap Part 135 outfit that skimps on maintenance, pays poorly, gives you no support and then looks for any reason to get a crew in trouble when a mistake happens.
If you make a mistake you will get sent to headquarters to be sat in front of a panel of strangers and your bosses, all of whom will interrogate you and second guess every thing you've done. They will ask if you gave the flight attendants a SCREAM briefing before the flight. They will interview the First Officer and Captain individually to try and intimidate you. They will go through all the paperwork and try and find any mistake you may have made. If you think I'm exaggerating call anyone who works here and ask.
Would you leave your regional for a sketchy Part 135 place that paid the same hourly rates as Allegiant? I understand most come because regionals pay dirt wages, but consider my question before making the jump.
Then they see the light after it's too late.
We're not trying to be the cranky captain that you think is delusional. We're just trying to be up front about what you're about to sign up for.
I've been here for years and I can honestly say it's like flying for a cheap Part 135 outfit that skimps on maintenance, pays poorly, gives you no support and then looks for any reason to get a crew in trouble when a mistake happens.
If you make a mistake you will get sent to headquarters to be sat in front of a panel of strangers and your bosses, all of whom will interrogate you and second guess every thing you've done. They will ask if you gave the flight attendants a SCREAM briefing before the flight. They will interview the First Officer and Captain individually to try and intimidate you. They will go through all the paperwork and try and find any mistake you may have made. If you think I'm exaggerating call anyone who works here and ask.
Would you leave your regional for a sketchy Part 135 place that paid the same hourly rates as Allegiant? I understand most come because regionals pay dirt wages, but consider my question before making the jump.
Last edited by labbats; 07-11-2014 at 12:36 PM.
07-11-2014 | 12:40 PM
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Telling people to stay away from Allegiant is like trying to tell that kid that wants to see the cockpit not to become a pilot. They think you're crazy.
Then they see the light after it's too late.
We're not trying to be the cranky captain that you think is delusional. We're just trying to be up front about what you're about to sign up for.
I've been here for years and I can honestly say it's like flying for a cheap Part 135 outfit that skimps on maintenance, pays poorly, gives you no support and then looks for any reason to get a crew in trouble when a mistake happens.
If you make a mistake you will get sent to headquarters to be sat in front of a panel of strangers and your bosses, all of whom will interrogate you and second guess every thing you've done. They will ask if you gave the flight attendants a SCREAM briefing before the flight. They will interview the First Officer and Captain individually to try and intimidate you. They will go through all the paperwork and try and find any mistake you may have made. If you think I'm exaggerating call anyone who works here and ask.
Would you leave your regional for a sketchy Part 135 place that paid the same hourly rates as Allegiant? I understand most come because regionals pay dirt wages, but consider my question before making the jump.
Then they see the light after it's too late.
We're not trying to be the cranky captain that you think is delusional. We're just trying to be up front about what you're about to sign up for.
I've been here for years and I can honestly say it's like flying for a cheap Part 135 outfit that skimps on maintenance, pays poorly, gives you no support and then looks for any reason to get a crew in trouble when a mistake happens.
If you make a mistake you will get sent to headquarters to be sat in front of a panel of strangers and your bosses, all of whom will interrogate you and second guess every thing you've done. They will ask if you gave the flight attendants a SCREAM briefing before the flight. They will interview the First Officer and Captain individually to try and intimidate you. They will go through all the paperwork and try and find any mistake you may have made. If you think I'm exaggerating call anyone who works here and ask.
Would you leave your regional for a sketchy Part 135 place that paid the same hourly rates as Allegiant? I understand most come because regionals pay dirt wages, but consider my question before making the jump.
When did this happen?
07-11-2014 | 12:43 PM
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Gosh Dang! This sounds worse than a scuzzy regional! Very powerful write up Dawg. Truth is I'm hearing the exact same things from my friends there. It's too bad. About 4 years ago I wanted to work for G4 pretty badly. I'm glad now it didn't pan out. My best to you guys under unbearable and unforgivable circumstances.
07-11-2014 | 12:43 PM
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Those hired away from Allegiant so far have gone to multiple job fairs all over the country until they are on a first name basis with the recruiters. And then those lucky few are chosen from several of their coworkers doing the same thing.
You assume Delta is just a phone call away. It's not.
07-11-2014 | 12:48 PM
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Would I be here if the majors called? Would any of us?
Those hired away from Allegiant so far have gone to multiple job fairs all over the country until they are on a first name basis with the recruiters. And then those lucky few are chosen from several of their coworkers doing the same thing.
You assume Delta is just a phone call away. It's not.
Those hired away from Allegiant so far have gone to multiple job fairs all over the country until they are on a first name basis with the recruiters. And then those lucky few are chosen from several of their coworkers doing the same thing.
You assume Delta is just a phone call away. It's not.
Hiring here though is going to continue for a long time. I really hope you can come here as soon as possible
07-11-2014 | 12:50 PM
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Haha I've actually done that in the past. But I've got a wife and kids who like to eat three times a day so I'll put up with the frustration until the phone rings.
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