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Old 08-14-2014 | 11:58 AM
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Looks like our combined company (American) has selected AOS as the vendor for our upcoming transition to pbs . How do you all like it? Does your pilot group have many controls? I have used navtech pbs in a previous life and had no complaints. Thanks for any info!
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Old 08-14-2014 | 12:09 PM
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Alaska pilots bid the old-fashioned way. We don't have PBS.
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Old 08-14-2014 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJunior
Alaska pilots bid the old-fashioned way. We don't have PBS.
Which is the best PBS system out there...
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Old 08-14-2014 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJunior
Alaska pilots bid the old-fashioned way. We don't have PBS.
Interesting.. The company AOS lists Alaska among others as one of the users of their program?
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Old 08-14-2014 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
Interesting.. The company AOS lists Alaska among others as one of the users of their program?
Our FAs have PBS. I haven't heard too many complaints, except I just flew a trip with an FA who mentioned that the computer had a glitch and most of their bids got screwed up. She got stuff way worse than what her seniority can hold. This happened to other FAs also.

I don't think there's a perfect PBS program out there. You may get screwed at times and won't know it unless you talk to people immediately senior and junior to you to compare notes.
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Old 08-14-2014 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverJunior
Our FAs have PBS. I haven't heard too many complaints, except I just flew a trip with an FA who mentioned that the computer had a glitch and most of their bids got screwed up. She got stuff way worse than what her seniority can hold. This happened to other FAs also.

I don't think there's a perfect PBS program out there. You may get screwed at times and won't know it unless you talk to people immediately senior and junior to you to compare notes.
Alaska FAs can see the bid award of every other FA to verify the integrity of the award.
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Old 08-14-2014 | 04:11 PM
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Sort of off topic, but what's the current DOH of the most junior lineholder at AS, either systemwide or base by base. Just curious.
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Old 08-14-2014 | 04:29 PM
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Just be aware that it is a globalized system, not seniority driven. It will cause seniority violations to complete the solution. Their interface makes Windows 95 look modern too.
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Old 08-14-2014 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Just be aware that it is a globalized system, not seniority driven. It will cause seniority violations to complete the solution. Their interface makes Windows 95 look modern too.
That's one of the reasons why we (DAL) went with our vendor (Navtech). No globalization, and the system merely estimates the number of lines it will create--the system is not bound to create a certain hard number. It will not create more lines if it takes seniority violations to do so.

For those wondering, in this case a seniority violation-centric sytem, if you will, would take a desirable higher time trip off a senior guy's tentative line so as to give it to a junior guy and give the junior guy a just-legal line; at DAL we would rather the junior guy get a reserve line than the senior guy not get what his seniority allowed him to get, all in the interest of "creating more lines."

Okay, I am not an AS or AA guy, so I will bow out of this thread.
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In my experience with AOS, the above examples can occur, but only if the company puts too many constraints on the system. For example, when the company told the system to build each line to a Min 90hrs, and a Max of 95hrs, it puts too much pressure on the system and sometimes a senior bidder would lose a high credit trip and have it replaced with a lower credit trip just to meet the credit window. If the system is allowed to build lines between between 70-85, or 75-90, for example, then this problem will not occur.

I have used both Navtech and AOS, and while I prefer Navtech, I didn't mind AOS that much.
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