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RMWRIGHT 08-22-2014 10:30 AM

I don't what you mean by pilot shortage... All I need is ONE lousy job !
I've been sitting in a motel room now for one month sending out resumes' like they were candy and have gotten a few replies but just
requesting me to fill out an application. I quickly do and I use a ruler so it's neat and straight. I also send scanned copies of my docs and then I never hear from them again. I have also sent out 5 to skydiving pilot jobs that were recently posted and they never had the courtesy to even acknowledge receipt i.e. say thanks but we've already hired or we'll keep you on file. NOTHING.

I hold the following credentials:
ATP Single and Multi engine Land and Sea FAA
ATPL Multi Engine Land Canada
ATPL Multi Engine Land Philippines
type rated pic A320 B737 no limitations on ATP license or ratings.
English proficient

Flight Dispatcher FAA
Flight Instructor Multi and Instrument airplane FAA
Ground Instructor Advanced and Instrument FAA
I have passed Flight Engineer Turbojet and Flight Navigator FAA knowledge exams,
Commerical Glider FAA
Secret Security Clearance USA
TSA TWIC
R/Telephone licenses Canada Philippines
General R/Telephone USA

Small Arms Training, Train The Trainer, Ditching, TESL

1st Class Medicals, speak a number of languages, USA and Canadian passports, permanent resident visa Chile, Argentina, UK and Philippines, all WHO shots , driver licenses USA Philippines etc etc
total time 2800
multi time 104

I have no idea what i'm doing wrong . :confused:
Hard to believe there are that many people applying for every job I see.

I'm seriously considering blowing it off and just getting a CDL. 3 weeks of training and 4k for school. I drove thru Texas a few weeks ago and saw a large number of jobs for truckers there. I asked one place and they offered 52k to start and tops off at 85k but I've invested 80k so far in aviation and dont want give up now . all that work, studying, money etc !

If anyone knows some place that can use me ,please send me a PM

THANKS ! :)

Std Deviation 08-22-2014 10:36 AM

I would acquire some additional skills. Nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Airlines only want pilots who have great skills.

Moonwolf 08-22-2014 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1710176)
inorite!

I wish all DAL Connection pilots made almost 50K a month.





Wait, what?

50k a year as an f/o would be nice.

Cubdriver 08-22-2014 11:03 AM

Wright, I am not convinced there is a deep or genuine labor shortage at the regionals, let alone the majors. Evidence such as the following chart derived from FAA certificate data suggests there are lots of pilots out there. But, where is the question. There probably is a light shortage of those willing to work for the same low pilot wages making airlines think nobody is there, when actually there is a large shadow community of eligible US pilots who will no longer accept depressed wage structures.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...psbe514fca.jpg

RMWRIGHT 08-22-2014 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by Std Deviation (Post 1710318)
I would acquire some additional skills. Nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills... Airlines only want pilots who have great skills.

What does that have to do with keeping a plane straight and level?
I do like shooting my bow.

CBreezy 08-22-2014 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1710332)
Wright, I am not convinced there is even a pilot shortage at the regionals, let alone majors. Evidence such as the following chart taken from FAA data suggests otherwise. I do think there is a shortage of those willing to work for the same low pilot wages as always, which is making airlines think nobody is there, when actually there is a large shadow community of qualified pilots who have had it with low wages and poor quality of life in the industry at the low end.

Your graph indicates a general negative (and acceleratingly negative) trend of commercial certificates. At 121 airlines alone over the next 15 years, they will lose tens of thousands of ATPs. There is also an undefined number of regional airline pilots who will be forced to retire in the next 15 years.

gloopy 08-22-2014 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by RMWRIGHT (Post 1710333)
What does that have to do with keeping a plane straight and level?
I do like shooting my bow.

Not sure what jobs you are applying for, but for most US airline jobs there is a lot in your "stats" that you probably shouldn't include unless asked. No one cares about resident status in another country, unless you are going to legally need it for that job, etc.

Many airlines are hiring a lot but the process is usually highly automated and takes a while. Its common to not get notices that your app was recieved and you will be considered etc. Usually you will hear nothing until you get an interview invite by phone or email.

Its also likely that if you have been applying non stop for a month, that you've applied to a lot of places which may view you as "over qualified" i.e. regional airlines especially the bottom tier ones. They know you'll leave quick, probably in training or just after.

Keep at it and network, go to job fairs and be patient. A month really isn't very long in this industry.

RMWRIGHT 08-22-2014 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1710332)
Wright, I am not convinced there is a deep or genuine labor shortage at the regionals, let alone the majors. Evidence such as the following chart taken from FAA certificate data suggests otherwise. I do think there is a shortage of those willing to work for the same low pilot wages making airlines HR departments think nobody is there when actually there is a large shadow community of qualified pilots who will no longer accept traditionally depressed wages at regionals, and have left the industry.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...psbe514fca.jpg

Yes I agree, there are about 200,000 pilots with an atp or commercial with more than 1500 hours who could get a 1st class medical. There are 66,000 commercial jobs for pilots in the USA. So that's about 3 pilots for every job ! The reason why some places have a hard time to find pilots is simply a 40 year old commercial license holder isn't going to quit their 80k a year job to make 20k and never see their family.
There were 8300 new atp licenses issued last year and how many will be hired maybe 3000 or 4000 ?

I know I dont have much time, so I've tried to make up for it in training i.e. type ratings , flight engineer written etc anything to get noticed. I did all 4 ATP , only 350 pilots in the USA have all 4 ! I know I dont need it, I just wanted to demonstrate that I'm not a slacker and not trying to "just get by". So far nothing has worked.:mad:

gloopy 08-22-2014 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1710326)
50k a year as an f/o would be nice.

I'm all in favor of significantly increasing "regional" pay. Of course if that happened, there wouldn't be the need for regionals in the first place, which would be a good thing.

gloopy 08-22-2014 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1710332)
I am not convinced there is a deep or genuine labor shortage at the regionals, let alone the majors. Evidence such as the following chart...

Does that chart take into account foreign students that got licensed here but will return home and fly? Because we've been training a LOT of those lately relative to our own citizens, some of whom will seek employment overseas as well anyway.


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