Do you happen to live in Ohio?

Just curious, would you not say that you can't get a standardized pilot from the civ side? Working for a regional environment is quite structured in itself. Plus, anyone that does flight training in the 141 environment follows structure as well. Really, any pilot whether civ or mil can be great or not so great.

For many such as myself, I had to pay for my training. I didn't pay money and get handed license. I had to work to pay for them in the process. I have no failed check rides in my whole 15 year training record. There are a lot of great stick and rudder skilled pilots in the civilian side.

Your last paragraph seems to state that if one is civilian that individual is just not up to par.

Just curious, would you not say that you can't get a standardized pilot from the civ side? Working for a regional environment is quite structured in itself. Plus, anyone that does flight training in the 141 environment follows structure as well.

For many such as myself, I had to pay for my training. I didn't pay money and get handed license. I had to work to pay for them in the process. I have no failed check rides in my whole 15 year training record. There are a lot of great pilots in the civilian side.

Your last paragraph seems to state that if one is civilian that individual is just not up to par.

You should have no trouble getting hired. It's not 85% military getting jobs. The reason lots of military do get hired is often not the flying part of the resume. Most military who get into UPT had great resumes before they ever started flight training. Solid academics and generally a great background in other activities. Most by the time they exit the military have a masters.
If you are not getting called take a hard look at the non flying part of your resume and see what you can do to improve it.

I agree with this. Most officers have masters and almost all of them have very good oral board/presentation/speaking skills. In addition, an extensive military network exists at the majors who help each other out to get guys hired. Plus it is hard to knock 1000 HRS of F-16 time or 2000 HRS of C-17 / KC-10 time, flying internationally and in war zones. Most all over them (just to get a mil pilot job out of college) have top academics from college.

It is what it is folks

Absolutely correct. From the horses mouth almost verbatim at DAL.

Nope........

Thanks for all the replys, I definitely didn't want it to seem as if it's a mil vs civ topic. There are exceptional candidates in both sectors. I almost got the the taste of a upt slot myself, but vision circumstances dictated other wise. I have been trying very hard to get noticed by DAL personally and haven't seen the light yet at the end of the tunnel, but optimistic my work is paying off. I have added over the years many other aspects to my non flying part of the resume with volunteer work and training department experience, in flying, with Delta, and out side of flying. Who knows, maybe the invite is a few days, or weeks away.

Thanks again,
Lear

Or, maybe your number of the 10,000 dudes looking just hasn't be looked at yet. Give them some time. There are many highly qualified people still waiting so you're not alone.

I am stunned at the number of guys who ask for help--many from the front line platforms like the F-22 and B-2. Even some of the golden boys are done with all the reindeer games...

Lots of guys I know went for a "safe" government contractor job vice a "risky" airline job over the last few years. Most of them worry about their jobs a lot more than my airline bubbas worry about theirs. Lots of positions were converted to GS with a corresponding 30-40% pay cut.

Its not for everyone, but I don't want to be home every night. I enjoy layovers in Paris, Honolulu, Brazil, New York City, etc. I like having ZERO additional duties outside the cockpit. I never want to wear a badge to go sit in a cubicle somewhere. But we are all different. However, I do think anyone hired at a legacy in this wave has a very unique opportunity to advance at a rate unseen for 20 years.

The key to success and stability is not the name on the paycheck, its having a skill set you continually hone and a network that you use to stay abreast of what is going on. I've got a lot of friends in the airline world who love the jobs, but also do some consulting or other endeavors on the side. If they end up getting furloughed at some point, they'll have other skills set to parlay into employment somewhere.

UPS was the "most secure job in industry" in 2000. They furloughed 200 guys. I had friends scoff a buddy who went to Alaska (vice AA, DAL, UAL) in the 90s because he knew he wanted to live in Alaska. He accepted the risk of a merger and the lower pay potential. Of all my old F-15 bubbas, he was the FIRST one to make captain at a legacy. Make educated choices, but understand their are now guarantees.

Me? After 12 years at FedEx, I still keep my logbook updated. I work hard on our family business. I hope to never need to ask again for a job, but I'll be ready if it happens.