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newKnow 11-24-2014 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1769962)
Here is a checklist for all curious Obamalovers:

1. Use your travel benefits and fly to Tucson, AZ (my home for 8 years)
2. Drive to Douglas or Sierra Vista.
3. Find an off-duty Border Patrol Agent/Agents (maybe you’d bump into my son)
4. Thank him/her/them for their Service and ask them to have a lunch with you
5. Ask question about their everyday routine and what THEY think about immigration problem.
6. Pay for lunch and thank them for their Service again.

End of the procedure, don’t forget the bold stuff.

Instead of doing all that, can you just tell us? ;)

buzzpat 11-24-2014 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1770239)
Buzz...what's this all about?

Is Obama going to hang the blame for ISIS on Hagel, or now is he going to go 'all in' against ISIS?

Hagel Submits Resignation as Defense Chief Under Pressure

Apparently, Hegel and Susan Rice have been butting heads since day one. I think Hegel's an idiot but he wanted to go after ISIS. Obama (and Rice) don't want to reopen the boots on the ground argument.

His way or the highway.

newKnow 11-24-2014 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1769747)
You are the king of the half truth dude. Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 1769956)
I think he meant to write National Debt, not the deficits.

Even if he meant National Debt, I think we should ask him why he thinks Obama tripled it.

I'm showing it was $10.6 trillion when Obama took over and that it's above $17.9 trillion now. (Maybe someone can double check my math. :) )

I think he took the 2009 deficit and attributed it to President Obama, which is the incorrect thing to do.

GunshipGuy 11-24-2014 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1770449)
Apparently, Hegel and Susan Rice have been butting heads since day one. I think Hegel's an idiot but he wanted to go after ISIS. Obama (and Rice) don't want to reopen the boots on the ground argument.

His way or the highway.

Unless you're Iran, then everything is negotiable. :eek:

Carl Spackler 11-24-2014 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1769892)
This is probably the point where we need to clarify some things before we continue with the discussion, as it relates to standing, prosecutorial discretion, and the "separation of powers issues" you refer to.

We've done that in detail already New. You ignoring it and asking for repetition won't move the ball. You sound very hard over on the left wing side and it's my experience that can never be overcome. But I'll do this one last time:


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1769892)
...what is it that you think President Obamas newly announced executive orders do?

I don't think it, I know it. Obama said it. His order grants amnesty to an entire class of people who have illegally entered our nation. He further confers legal status and the right to work on them for ostensibly 3 years, but realistically forever.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1769892)
Who is this "entire class" of lawbreakers that aren't being prosecuted that you refer to?

Once again, I'm not referring to it. Obama is. The class is 4 to 6 million people who illegally entered with children citizens and other special "status." They not only aren't being prosecuted, Obama is specifically refusing to do so. It's stunning how you could even be asking these questions except to try to change the subject and denigrate those who take Obama literally. If you want to defend Obama, then do so. But you attempting to spin away Obama's action as nothing new makes you look embarrassed trying to defend the indefensible.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1769892)
As in, are you suggesting that Obama just threw up his hands and said he was stopping deportations?

See above.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1769892)
If not, what do you understand the orders to be?

See above.

Carl

scambo1 11-24-2014 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1770071)
Well they and you were wrong.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and they provided an unappealing yet effective counter balance against the biggest threat in the region, Iran. The war destabilized the region, and Bush's boy in Iraq, Paul Bremer, allowed the de-baathification of Iraq that led to ISIS.

The Re-Baathification of Iraq

Sorry, but you really need to turn off Fox "News" and engage in some basic critical thinking.

You are a one man state department. Please continue to grace us with your overwhelming magnificence.

Carl Spackler 11-24-2014 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1769747)
You are the king of the half truth dude. Obama TRIPLED our annual budget deficit and now he (and you) are crowing about it dropping by 50%. A refresher on math and honesty is a must for you.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1769898)
He did? Um, when? :o

Sigh. Here's some unwitting help from formerdal...with my edit for his ridiculous labeling of 2009 as George W. Bush:


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1769920)
That is a bunch of crap, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about...as usual.

Obama Deficits
FY 2015*: $564 bln
FY 2014: $483 bln
FY 2013: $680 bln
FY 2012: $1,087 bln
FY 2011: $1,300 bln
FY 2010: $1,294 bln
FY 2009: $1,413 bln

Bush Deficits
FY 2008: $458 bln
FY 2007: $161 bln
FY 2006: $248 bln
FY 2005: $318 bln


So you see NewK, Obama's 2009 annual budget deficit of 1.4 TRILLION is three times the annual budget deficit of 458 BILLION that Obama inherited.

Cue the left wing nonsense that 2009 was still really Bush's fault.

Carl

buzzpat 11-24-2014 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1770071)
Well they and you were wrong.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and they provided an unappealing yet effective counter balance against the biggest threat in the region, Iran. The war destabilized the region, and Bush's boy in Iraq, Paul Bremer, allowed the de-baathification of Iraq that led to ISIS.

The Re-Baathification of Iraq

Sorry, but you really need to turn off Fox "News" and engage in some basic critical thinking.

You need to go back and read the 2002 Congressional Authorization for the Use of Force in Iraq. If you have to turn off Rachel, so be it.

You're right, it had nothing to do with 9/11. Nobody ever said it did. Just blathering left wing idiots.

Do some research before you hop on that high horse ace. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

Carl Spackler 11-24-2014 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1769964)
I guess Carl would like us to ignore the global economic crisis brought to us be the corporate shill deregulators that Obama had to dig us out of without any help from the Laffer folks.

Not at all Flytoleft. The economic crisis was real. But obviously not due to corporations and regulators that you love to hate.

Obama chose to "dig us out" by massively adding to annual deficit spending through the use of "emergency bail outs" that were not budgeted for. Bush did the same thing in 2008. Harry Reid aided in this effort by refusing to pass a budget in the last 6 years and instead has chosen to operate with no budgets via continuing resolutions.

Carl

Flytolive 11-24-2014 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1770480)
You're right, it had nothing to do with 9/11. Nobody ever said it did. Just blathering left wing idiots.



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