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trip 12-23-2014 08:51 AM

Was it as a sting?

sandlapper223 12-23-2014 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1788881)
We are far less likely to have someone from our ranks attempt something like this. Not saying it will never happen, but most of us have more vested in a long term career than the rampers and other employees.

Stories like this are always the rampers. We had some in SLC that were doing the same gig as this guy only it was transporting heroin to Oakland. That was about 5 years ago. In my mind it is just plain crazy that these employees are not screened. Can't figure out how the TSA thinks that is OK.

All employees with access to the sterile area are required to undergo a 10-year criminal history and background check. The same one we as pilots had to go through. Problem is, an employee who becomes criminal, or engages in criminal activity after they are hired. Often, many airport employees who otherwise would not commit a crime, are recruited or coerced into this by associates they meet or are introduced to. The people they hang out with in their personal lives is the problem.

Bottom line: Hire people for sensitive duties that are of sound mind and who are dependable and trustworthy. Not easy with these wages.

Unfortunately, it will take a horrible violent act before anyone notices or takes action to correct it.

LNL76 12-23-2014 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by sandlapper223 (Post 1788925)
All employees with access to the sterile area are required to undergo a 10-year criminal history and background check. The same one we as pilots had to go through. Problem is, an employee who becomes criminal, or engages in criminal activity after they are hired. Often, many airport employees who otherwise would not commit a crime, are recruited or coerced into this by associates they meet or are introduced to. The people they hang out with in their personal lives is the problem.

Bottom line: Hire people for sensitive duties that are of sound mind and who are dependable and trustworthy. Not easy with these wages.

Unfortunately, it will take a horrible violent act before anyone notices or takes action to correct it.

I agree, especially with your last line. How about they go through TSA screening when showing up for work like everyone else? I don't think that's too much to ask and we'd all be safer for it.

jamesrhatcher 12-23-2014 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1788976)
How about they go through TSA screening when showing up for work like everyone else? I don't think that's too much to ask and we'd all be safer for it.

Why? KCM is considered TSA screening.

The issue I have with baggage handlers is they are most often not screened, period, when accessing their work areas. That is unless they happen to get selected for a random screening, which is rarely, if ever. The issue with baggage handlers is that as a rule, they have the least invested in their "career" compared to pilots, for example. About seven years ago, at one large airline hub, which won't be named here, I was told by an immigrations officer that there had been a round up of nearly 30 baggage handlers who had been accessing the ramp (without screening I might add) for nearly 30 days before it was discovered that at least 30 baggage handlers weren't even in the country legally. They had been working in a sterile area, yet their "background checks" were still in the process of being run while they had full and unrestricted access to much of the airport, as well as airplanes. It's time for loopholes like this to be closed IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner!

sandlapper223 12-23-2014 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1788976)
I agree, especially with your last line. How about they go through TSA screening when showing up for work like everyone else? I don't think that's too much to ask and we'd all be safer for it.

TSA originally tried that. But what with airlines and passengers complaining about long screening times, and employees late for work, the TSA changed some requirements (for non-traveling employees). These vary from airport to airport, of course. Balance between economy and risk I guess.

LNL76 12-23-2014 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by jamesrhatcher (Post 1789007)
Why? KCM is considered TSA screening.

The issue I have with baggage handlers is they are most often not screened, period, when accessing their work areas. That is unless they happen to get selected for a random screening, which is rarely, if ever. The issue with baggage handlers is that as a rule, they have the least invested in their "career" compared to pilots, for example. About seven years ago, at one large airline hub, which won't be named here, I was told by an immigrations officer that there had been a round up of nearly 30 baggage handlers who had been accessing the ramp (without screening I might add) for nearly 30 days before it was discovered that at least 30 baggage handlers weren't even in the country legally. They had been working in a sterile area, yet their "background checks" were still in the process of being run while they had full and unrestricted access to much of the airport, as well as airplanes. It's time for loopholes like this to be closed IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner!

Ummm, I was referring to baggage handlers NOT going through TSA. Not sure what you thought I was referring to. It's ludicrous and security theatre to have crewmembers who put their butts on a plane to get patted down and sometimes harrassed in front of regular pax while others who never leave the ground slip through a side door.

LNL76 12-23-2014 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by sandlapper223 (Post 1789027)
TSA originally tried that. But what with airlines and passengers complaining about long screening times, and employees late for work, the TSA changed some requirements (for non-traveling employees). These vary from airport to airport, of course. Balance between economy and risk I guess.

Tough darts...if lines are too long, create a separate screening area for them. Pax would be outraged if they knew this loophole.

badflaps 12-23-2014 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1789069)
Tough darts...if lines are too long, create a separate screening area for them. Pax would be outraged if they knew this loophole.

They do now Faux just got a hold of it.

sailingfun 12-23-2014 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by sandlapper223 (Post 1788925)
All employees with access to the sterile area are required to undergo a 10-year criminal history and background check. The same one we as pilots had to go through. Problem is, an employee who becomes criminal, or engages in criminal activity after they are hired. Often, many airport employees who otherwise would not commit a crime, are recruited or coerced into this by associates they meet or are introduced to. The people they hang out with in their personal lives is the problem.

Bottom line: Hire people for sensitive duties that are of sound mind and who are dependable and trustworthy. Not easy with these wages.

Unfortunately, it will take a horrible violent act before anyone notices or takes action to correct it.

There have already been very violent acts.

Airway 12-23-2014 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1788881)
We are far less likely to have someone from our ranks attempt something like this. Not saying it will never happen, but most of us have more vested in a long term career than the rampers and other employees.

Stories like this are always the rampers. We had some in SLC that were doing the same gig as this guy only it was transporting heroin to Oakland. That was about 5 years ago. In my mind it is just plain crazy that these employees are not screened. Can't figure out how the TSA thinks that is OK.

Not disagreeing with you, but let's not forget the jumpseating FedEx pilot who went bananas on the flight crew with an axe some years back.


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