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FoxHunter 01-20-2007 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 105345)
Um, sure, if you say so. I'd say that it's because we're vigilant enough to remove people from the cockpit prior to serious degradation in skills.

And the study that you will point to as far as this experience level is ...? All studies that I've seen indicate that once you're past the first 1500 hours, any increased experience does little to improve safety.

You're not serious?:(

fireman0174 01-20-2007 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 105345)
All studies that I've seen indicate that once you're past the first 1500 hours, any increased experience does little to improve safety.

Ridiculous. The day a pilot thinks that increased experience will not improve safety, is the day he/she should hang it up.

To the day I retired I was always learning and that helped me be a better and safer pilot for the next flight.

I will also freely admit that on more than one occasion my experience learning curve increased when I said to myself "Hey dummy, don't ever do that again!".

Orion 01-20-2007 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 105345)
And the study that you will point to as far as this experience level is ...? All studies that I've seen indicate that once you're past the first 1500 hours, any increased experience does little to improve safety.

Looks like a pilot with a lot of book knowledge and studies, but no real practical experience to back it up. Andy you are so hardcore on not accepting this change I think you will say just about say anything if you think it makes your case sound better.

org1 01-20-2007 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 105383)
Ridiculous. The day a pilot thinks that increased experience will not improve safety, is the day he/she should hang it up.

To the day I retired I was always learning and that helped me be a better and safer pilot for the next flight.

I will also freely admit that on more than one occasion my experience learning curve increased when I said to myself "Hey dummy, don't ever do that again!".

Absolutely right. I've done IOE on lots of guys with way more than 1500 hours, and most of them are good with the airplane (some superb) but they aren't in the position of having seen most of it before. The level of comfort when in tense situations is much lower than it would be when the same individual has already "been there". Every time you go through an unusual or tight situation, it benefits your decision making ability.

tomgoodman 01-20-2007 04:15 PM

Reverse Learning Curve?
 
When I was hired, I knew everything but was plagued by bad luck. Every day I got a little stupider, but had better luck. By the time I retired, I had reached a state of complete ignorance, but was lucky every day. :p

preludespeeder 01-20-2007 08:11 PM

Experience equals compliance which equals accidents. Investigations show this trend, older pilots get complaint or comfortable thinking they have seen it all then an accident happens because of it. What does not help the situation is they all think they are gods gift to aviation because they have sat in the left seat for 30 years watching the autopilot work. Wow experience pays off I guess

Andy 01-21-2007 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by Orion (Post 105426)
Looks like a pilot with a lot of book knowledge and studies, but no real practical experience to back it up. Andy you are so hardcore on not accepting this change I think you will say just about say anything if you think it makes your case sound better.

Look it up. The statistical data is out there. Accident rates drop up to 1500 hours, rates get pretty much flatline in relation to experience past that.

org1 01-21-2007 06:29 AM

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by preludespeeder (Post 105569)
Experience equals compliance which equals accidents. Investigations show this trend, older pilots get complaint or comfortable thinking they have seen it all then an accident happens because of it. What does not help the situation is they all think they are gods gift to aviation because they have sat in the left seat for 30 years watching the autopilot work. Wow experience pays off I guess

Very interesting and I'm sure backed up by vast experience and scientific evidence. Share your qualifications with us please. You might want to look up the word "compliant", too.

org1 01-21-2007 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 105618)
Look it up. The statistical data is out there. Accident rates drop up to 1500 hours, rates get pretty much flatline in relation to experience past that.

Andy, you're the one using said data, so why not give us a footnote, reference, link....something to prove it exists. Is this military pilots, civilian pilots, private pilots, ATPs, all pilots, what? How old is the date? Who gathered it? Give us a hint.

Busboy 01-21-2007 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by preludespeeder (Post 105569)
Experience equals compliance which equals accidents. Investigations show this trend, older pilots get complaint or comfortable thinking they have seen it all then an accident happens because of it. What does not help the situation is they all think they are gods gift to aviation because they have sat in the left seat for 30 years watching the autopilot work. Wow experience pays off I guess


Complacency and complacent, perhaps?

But, that's the least of the errors in your post.


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