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Old 04-27-2015, 06:59 PM
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Old 04-27-2015, 07:01 PM
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not a pension. CSRS = pension. I am making a point to our heavy airbus driver who went to Dartmouth

Actually he turned down Dartmouth, hence his zero college credits statement.
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Old 04-27-2015, 07:07 PM
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Actually he turned down Dartmouth, hence his zero college credits statement.
ahhh, yes of course.
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Old 04-28-2015, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by clear4approach View Post
Agreed. I'd also add: taking honors level courses in high school for free college credit, going to local community college for 2 years, then going to an in state school, applying for every scholarship you can find no matter how unrelated or small the amount, and working diligently so as not to have to retake courses due to failure or take an extra year to finish your degree.


Those strategies should at least leave you with significantly less debt than your peers.

Unless you go to an Ivy League school, the school name on your diploma matters little. Too many kids fall victim to big name schools and their fancy brochures and websites and reputations and sports team msrketing.

That right there. I was initially dead set on universities with the most impressive names. Then I did some math and realized in-state was insanely cheaper and better scholarships were attainable. Few people know the name of my school but it was a quality, well accredited program and I was debt free 2.5 years after graduation (on regional airline pay no less). The prices you pay for a brand name these days are insane.
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Old 04-28-2015, 04:13 AM
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That right there. I was initially dead set on universities with the most impressive names. Then I did some math and realized in-state was insanely cheaper and better scholarships were attainable. Few people know the name of my school but it was a quality, well accredited program and I was debt free 2.5 years after graduation (on regional airline pay no less). The prices you pay for a brand name these days are insane.
This whole college thread is stupid. If you want to be a professional pilot get a degree. There are numerous options to do it at low or no cost. Start with 1.5 years of Junior college and then 1.5 years at a state school. Take summer sessions and winter sessions. Get some of it done in high school via AP classes. You don't even need to take 4 years, done in 3. Apply for free money, work a job and take a loan as a last resort.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Redbird611 View Post
That right there. I was initially dead set on universities with the most impressive names. Then I did some math and realized in-state was insanely cheaper and better scholarships were attainable. Few people know the name of my school but it was a quality, well accredited program and I was debt free 2.5 years after graduation (on regional airline pay no less). The prices you pay for a brand name these days are insane.

Brand name is really only worth the money if...

1) You're going to compete at the pinnacle of your chosen field where the name-recognition gives you more horsepower and you may have better exposure to cutting-edge science. Ie a top-notch engineering Phd is better served by a degree from MIT than State U, and a high-end law firm needs ivy-league grads for credibility to justify high fees if nothing else.

2) You're going into a field where connections are important, ie B-school. Your Stanford classmates are collectively going faster and further than at lower-tier schools.

In aviation it doesn't matter as much (except DAL and maybe a few others give bonus points for high-end schools, but that's probably not worth a lot of debt unless you were going anyway).
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:39 AM
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The prices you pay for a(n Ivy League School) these days are insane.

Folks aren't paying for an education from those places. They are paying for cachet and life-long insider access, preferential treatment, networking, and favorable bias.

And they get it, too. Esp. from their own kind.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:31 AM
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A four year degree was a requirement to get in to the military as an officer back in the day (I assume it is still a requirement?). Not sure of the value but I guess it shows you can accomplish something. I have found my Animal Science degree invaluable, especially on long flights where good conversation can be exhausted, and discussion of 22% protein feed rations and optimum carcass weights are almost interesting.
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Old 04-28-2015, 08:45 AM
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A four year degree was a requirement to get in to the military as an officer back in the day (I assume it is still a requirement?). Not sure of the value but I guess it shows you can accomplish something. .
Yes still required and for very good reason. Plenty of enlisted show that they can accomplish something on a daily basis, that's not the issue. Since some officers will eventually fill senior leadership roles you want them to have a foundation of breadth, depth, and perspective far beyond their technical MOS. You can be a good airline pilot by being a good technician with some 101 leadership, but that does not apply to senior military officers who deal with large-scale life/death decisions, morality, and geo-political strategy.

A technician can get the job done (and the military has no shortage), the heavy questions are should we?, how?, when?, and why?
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You lost me, SatPak, how is FERS not a pension? Yes, it is not as generous as CSRS, but it is a defined benefit combined with a defined contribution retirement plan.

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