Pilot Shortage And The Legacy Feed
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I just talked to an ex ERAU CFI. Said there are a lot of lifers there. Guys left to the commuters and couldn't do it, came back to ERAU.
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Money's not everything, but being a CFI for life is not even going to pay your student loans.
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I could be wrong, but I took the author to mean that Legacy airlines were exposed to the risk of shortage due to their regional feed. When Connection/Express carriers can't attract applicants, Legacy passengers will be affected. I don't think the author of the article was saying that mainline carriers will directly experience a shortage of applicants. LCCs are exposed to less risk due to the fact that they operate all of their own flights and don't have to worry about regional partners staffing their flights.
There is also a lot of regional capacity that can be replaced with mainline on a 3 to 1 savings for staffing.
Other than perhaps dinging the 100% completion and on time fantasy metrics, we're no where near a regional pilot supply crunch actually endangering the legacy airlines.
Besides, legacy airlines can ramp up LCC pilot hiring any time they want to. Now THAT could crush more than a few business models out there.
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United has over 10,000 applications on file. I would imagine Delta, American, Alaska, and Hawaiian are in a very similar state. There is no pilot shortage at the majors nor will there be for a very long time. The regionals are crying because the bar has been raised to the minimum. If starting pay at a regional was $45K and average pay was $85k the regionals would have no staffing issues. A college graduate with a technical degree should not have to collect food stamps for his first 2 years after graduation.
The pipeline of qualified applicants is drying up. There is very little incentive for someone to start training today for an airline job.
Given the current state of this industry, when I am asked, I strongly deter anybody from starting to fly as a career interest. Hobby, absolutely. Business expedience, absolutely. Career, NFW!
The pipeline of qualified applicants is drying up. There is very little incentive for someone to start training today for an airline job.
Given the current state of this industry, when I am asked, I strongly deter anybody from starting to fly as a career interest. Hobby, absolutely. Business expedience, absolutely. Career, NFW!
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United has over 10,000 applications on file. I would imagine Delta, American, Alaska, and Hawaiian are in a very similar state. There is no pilot shortage at the majors nor will there be for a very long time. The regionals are crying because the bar has been raised to the minimum. If starting pay at a regional was $45K and average pay was $85k the regionals would have no staffing issues. A college graduate with a technical degree should not have to collect food stamps for his first 2 years after graduation.
The pipeline of qualified applicants is drying up. There is very little incentive for someone to start training today for an airline job.
Given the current state of this industry, when I am asked, I strongly deter anybody from starting to fly as a career interest. Hobby, absolutely. Business expedience, absolutely. Career, NFW!
The pipeline of qualified applicants is drying up. There is very little incentive for someone to start training today for an airline job.
Given the current state of this industry, when I am asked, I strongly deter anybody from starting to fly as a career interest. Hobby, absolutely. Business expedience, absolutely. Career, NFW!
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IF a shortage did materialize (that's a big if), there would probably be a few regionals, LCCs, and ULCCs that went out of business due to them not being able to hire pilots at food stamp wages. I don't see a problem here.
Majors that pay good wages won't have problems recruiting pilots. Airlines that can't compete with living wages will go out of business. It sounds like Sun Country (I thought they went out of business years ago) may close its doors because management says that they can't pay their pilots higher wages. Sun Country Airlines owner warns of possible shutdown | Duluth News Tribune
After looking at their pay scales, Sun Country needs to be shut down. And every single pilot there could find a higher paying job somewhere else.
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It sounds like Sun Country (I thought they went out of business years ago) may close its doors because management says that they can't pay their pilots higher wages. Sun Country Airlines owner warns of possible shutdown | Duluth News Tribune
After looking at their pay scales, Sun Country needs to be shut down. And every single pilot there could find a higher paying job somewhere else.
After looking at their pay scales, Sun Country needs to be shut down. And every single pilot there could find a higher paying job somewhere else.



