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08-05-2015 | 01:01 PM
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Here's a couple of posts from the SWA Hiring thread about year 1
Here's one about the system average TFP
I think between those couple three posts, there's a few data points that could get one a ballpark idea.
There are lots of variables but to give you a ballpark idea, I worked 9 months in 2014 as a new hire. A month and a half of that was training so no extra. Three and a half months as a commuter without picking up extra and four months living in base picking up a couple times a month at second year pay. I grossed roughly $45,000 in those nine months or an average of $5,000/month. Those first three months are typically lighter than the rest of the year so take that into consideration.
Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
I must be the exception. Living in OKC, PM reserve in Houston is usually commutable on both ends, at least 70 percent of the time.
I pick up extra quite often. Sometimes it is commutable, sometimes I have to shell out for the hotel. I only do it if it is worth the struggle. In my first six months, I grossed around 35. I will probably finish out my first year at around 75K.
Living in a city that is an easy jog to 3 bases helps.
I pick up extra quite often. Sometimes it is commutable, sometimes I have to shell out for the hotel. I only do it if it is worth the struggle. In my first six months, I grossed around 35. I will probably finish out my first year at around 75K.
Living in a city that is an easy jog to 3 bases helps.
Your average of 1300 Trips for Pay (TFP) per year is close -- SWAPA says it is closer to 1260 TFP per year. However, that is average. From my experience the real differential lies in whether you live in domicile or commute. I've done both.
Living in domicile, 20 minutes from the airport is an entirely different ball game financially at Southwest.
Last year I flew around 1575 TFP at 3rd year pay of $94.25. That sounds like a lot of flying or TFPs but in actuality as a non-commuter it was pretty easy in my opinion. I only flew 168 days and had a bunch of other days sitting at home on reserve by the pool not getting called in.
If there is ANY WAY you can swing it move to a domicile. Best of luck to all those applying and to those hired -- Welcome Aboard!
Living in domicile, 20 minutes from the airport is an entirely different ball game financially at Southwest.
Last year I flew around 1575 TFP at 3rd year pay of $94.25. That sounds like a lot of flying or TFPs but in actuality as a non-commuter it was pretty easy in my opinion. I only flew 168 days and had a bunch of other days sitting at home on reserve by the pool not getting called in.
If there is ANY WAY you can swing it move to a domicile. Best of luck to all those applying and to those hired -- Welcome Aboard!
08-05-2015 | 09:13 PM
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RSV at any airline sucks.
RSV at SWA is 96TFP/mo.
You will be on RSV for 2/yrs at every base except OAK/LAS.
4-5 years in MCO (most sr base at the moment).
SWA does give you the ability to trade days off for trips. Seniority gets you better trips on those days, but you can easily get 110TFP with 13 days off.
RSV at SWA is 96TFP/mo.
You will be on RSV for 2/yrs at every base except OAK/LAS.
4-5 years in MCO (most sr base at the moment).
SWA does give you the ability to trade days off for trips. Seniority gets you better trips on those days, but you can easily get 110TFP with 13 days off.
08-06-2015 | 04:10 AM
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RSV at any airline sucks.
RSV at SWA is 96TFP/mo.
You will be on RSV for 2/yrs at every base except OAK/LAS.
4-5 years in MCO (most sr base at the moment).
SWA does give you the ability to trade days off for trips. Seniority gets you better trips on those days, but you can easily get 110TFP with 13 days off.
RSV at SWA is 96TFP/mo.
You will be on RSV for 2/yrs at every base except OAK/LAS.
4-5 years in MCO (most sr base at the moment).
SWA does give you the ability to trade days off for trips. Seniority gets you better trips on those days, but you can easily get 110TFP with 13 days off.
Reserve does indeed suck, I am living it, but. couple of slight corrections:
Guarantee is between 87-90 TFP. You get 15 days off. I have never made just guarantee, even when only working my line and not flying extra.
With hiring going like it is now and in the near future, 2 months on reserve at a junior base, slightly longer central and BWI, and who knows at ATL and MCO is probably a more accurate forecast. Nobody is going to spend years on reserve with two classes a month.
08-06-2015 | 08:07 AM
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This is from two years ago. The cost has gone up a bit (I think it's around 300/mo now for the HMO), but the basic info is the same.
http://www.iam141.org/contract/pdfs/...tGuide2013.pdf
A lot of pilots use the regular plan. SWA doesn't do a lot to advertise it, but it is zero dollars out of your pay. It is an old school plan with a deductible and preventive care is out of your pocket.
If you elect to not get health insurance (mainly retired military), you get $50 back a month.
08-06-2015 | 08:31 AM
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This is from two years ago. The cost has gone up a bit (I think it's around 300/mo now for the HMO), but the basic info is the same.
http://www.iam141.org/contract/pdfs/...tGuide2013.pdf
A lot of pilots use the regular plan. SWA doesn't do a lot to advertise it, but it is zero dollars out of your pay. It is an old school plan with a deductible and preventive care is out of your pocket.
If you elect to not get health insurance (mainly retired military), you get $50 back a month.
http://www.iam141.org/contract/pdfs/...tGuide2013.pdf
A lot of pilots use the regular plan. SWA doesn't do a lot to advertise it, but it is zero dollars out of your pay. It is an old school plan with a deductible and preventive care is out of your pocket.
If you elect to not get health insurance (mainly retired military), you get $50 back a month.
08-26-2015 | 06:40 AM
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It used to be a simple formula based on distance between cities, but not anymore. Now there is stage length, etc that factors in. A flight that blocks an hour typically pays somewhere around 1.2 TFP.
There are also rigs to take into account that will increase your pay per duty period, premium pay that kicks in and gives you 1.5X, and double time in some cases.
Long story short, there are a few who can explain it, but it is really complicated. The union periodically publishes an education piece to assure us that we are being paid fairly. I think it roughly breaks down to around .91 block hours/TFP, but that is a gross generalization.
Just as an example, this is what I am flying today:
Block 2:40 TFP 3.1
Block 1:05 TFP 1.2
Block 1:25 TFP 1.5
So, 5.7 total. Not a great day by any stretch, but this trip is split so I can commute home.
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