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09-30-2015, 08:48 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by Trent900
Apples and oranges!
The JAA ATPL ab-initio syllabus is extremely demanding This won't even come close to a European ATPL!
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The JAA ATPL ab-initio syllabus is extremely demanding This won't even come close to a European ATPL!
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I've worked with two such schools and a college in the 70's. Training and checking standards were the same for all students regardless where they came from.
09-30-2015, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueBlood
I hope that is a joke if not mind your own business.
Spirit hired guys with 250hr just few years ago and I heard they were the cockiest less prepared pilot to ever fly for an airline. A pain in the rear to work with them.
Spirit hired guys with 250hr just few years ago and I heard they were the cockiest less prepared pilot to ever fly for an airline. A pain in the rear to work with them.
However, I will not deny that this could change the shape of our career, as they will not feel the hardship that we might have had to get where we are.
Other examples of such practice in the rest of the world (europe) just shows that it weakens unions, but doesn't really produce worse pilots.
Picking on these guys to justify the will to fight for our career is not the way to go.
09-30-2015, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by THRIDLEOPDES
Absolutely not true. I have flown with a few of them, and I can tell you they had better knowledge and piloting skills than a lot of so called "experienced" pilots. Flying 1500 hours towing banners, or coming from some shady cargo airlines does not necessarily produce better results.
However, I will not deny that this could change the shape of our career, as they will not feel the hardship that we might have had to get where we are.
Other examples of such practice in the rest of the world (europe) just shows that it weakens unions, but doesn't really produce worse pilots.
Picking on these guys to justify the will to fight for our career is not the way to go.
However, I will not deny that this could change the shape of our career, as they will not feel the hardship that we might have had to get where we are.
Other examples of such practice in the rest of the world (europe) just shows that it weakens unions, but doesn't really produce worse pilots.
Picking on these guys to justify the will to fight for our career is not the way to go.
09-30-2015, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
What makes you say lower experienced pilots hired at airlines leads to weakened unions in Europe? From my distant view it seems they go on strike, get new contracts, have solid QOL/benefits, etc etc.
09-30-2015, 10:45 AM
#106
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Originally Posted by full of luv
I wouldn't envy a European Airline pilot currently, their industry/QOL is under attack from all angles. ME carriers, profitable US majors, relentless LCC/ULCC model carriers starting up in ever cheaper regulatory environments, and the list goes on....
09-30-2015, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I completely agree from a network standpoint they are in a bad spot, but are the unions in Europe much weaker than ours in the US? If European airlines only hired pilots with 10,000hrs would their CBAs be very different than they are today?
09-30-2015, 05:11 PM
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Things in Europe are still pretty bad...., T&C'S eroding and operators changing conditions on the contract unilaterally, the legacy carriers are ok but all other jobs, specially the "pay2fly" LCC's conditions are horrendous...., that is why there is always a steady number of pilots from the EU on the international expat market.
09-30-2015, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
There have been and still are flight schools in the US offering both rigorous and demanding syllabi for both U.S. and foreign students.
I've worked with two such schools and a college in the 70's. Training and checking standards were the same for all students regardless where they came from.
I've worked with two such schools and a college in the 70's. Training and checking standards were the same for all students regardless where they came from.
Again, apples and oranges.
I wasn't referencing "student origin". I was referencing ab-initio JAA ATPL which is not issued in the US.
This syllabus will be easier than the JAA ATPL in terms of written exams and PTS!
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10-02-2015, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
The big thing that the European Unions don't have to deal with is the RLA.
You can be the only one to want to be a union member, and you can still do so. Just go to a union and sign up. Great option.
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