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bull 11-10-2015 03:29 AM

Delta contract/IOE question
 
Quick question...Let's say you have completed transition training on a new aircraft. Let's also say that you are sitting and waiting for IOE. Your bid award has given you the upcoming holiday off. Can the company make you fly an IOE trip over the holiday even if your seniority allowed you to have the holiday off?

Justdoinmyjob 11-10-2015 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by bull (Post 2008337)
Quick question...Let's say you have completed transition training on a new aircraft. Let's also say that you are sitting and waiting for IOE. Your bid award has given you the upcoming holiday off. Can the company make you fly an IOE trip over the holiday even if your seniority allowed you to have the holiday off?

Not 100% sure, but yeah, I believe they can. You are basically at the mercy of the IOE scheduler and the LCAs schedule. Did you not get the letter at the beginning of training from the scheduler asking you to call if there were any days you needed free? No garantee that you'd get them off, but they do try and honor requests.

full of luv 11-10-2015 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by bull (Post 2008337)
Quick question...Let's say you have completed transition training on a new aircraft. Let's also say that you are sitting and waiting for IOE. Your bid award has given you the upcoming holiday off. Can the company make you fly an IOE trip over the holiday even if your seniority allowed you to have the holiday off?

Absolutely. If you had seniority to have vacation on the holiday then that will be honored but short of that you are at the whim of the oe planner till complete. Now that assumes a LCA bid a trip over Thanksgiving as well, but ask me how I know it happens..... At least you can bring a companion via S2B over the holiday.

full of luv 11-10-2015 03:50 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 2008344)
Not 100% sure, but yeah, I believe they can. You are basically at the mercy of the IOE scheduler and the LCAs schedule. Did you not get the letter at the beginning of training from the scheduler asking you to call if there were any days you needed free? No garantee that you'd get them off, but they do try and honor requests.

Some oe planners are better than others. Let's just say that on one fleet at least the oe planner basically ignores you until he assigns you and any requests will be held in contempt.

maddogmax 11-10-2015 03:56 AM

Call your OE Scheduler. He/She will probably know by now if they plan to put you on a trip over the holidays. Keep in mind that many LCA are junior and are on Reserve. If they commute, they would rather fly then sit in a hotel or crash pad on Thanksgiving/Christmas

crewdawg 11-10-2015 04:27 AM

Last year, my first IOE trip covered Christmas eve and Christmas day. My LCA was pretty senior, kids out of the house and brought his wife along for a 30 SFO hour layover (Christmas Day). His kids were scattered around the U.S. so they had already done their Christmas. He couldn't believe that the planners put a IOE on that trip. But when they're backed up on training I would expect they'll do the same this year. I didn't get to bid for that month so I didn't have any "off" days. Hopefully they will honor your schedule, but from what I understand, it comes down to LCA availability.

GivemeVSP 11-10-2015 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2008350)
Some oe planners are better than others. Let's just say that on one fleet at least the oe planner basically ignores you until he assigns you and any requests will be held in contempt.

The -ER? LOL

DAL757 11-10-2015 06:09 AM

A little thread drift here but, new hire IOE wait is now 8 weeks past type ride for my class. We haven't heard a word!! For a new guy who's excited to start a new career it's a little dis-heartening to sit in a pool for 4 -6 months waiting for indoc, and then wait for training, and then wait 8 weeks after the type for IOE, and never hear a word for your employer. Many poolies waiting for a class date are leaving for companies that are giving them training dates and I know we are losing good guys to competitors. I know that I am whining, but a little communication goes A LONG WAY!!

They won't let us leave passengers in the dark during a holding pattern, shouldn't our employees be treated the same way?

Ray Red 11-10-2015 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by DAL757 (Post 2008401)
A little thread drift here but, new hire IOE wait is now 8 weeks past type ride for my class. We haven't heard a word!! For a new guy who's excited to start a new career it's a little dis-heartening to sit in a pool for 4 -6 months waiting for indoc, and then wait for training, and then wait 8 weeks after the type for IOE, and never hear a word for your employer. Many poolies waiting for a class date are leaving for companies that are giving them training dates and I know we are losing good guys to competitors. I know that I am whining, but a little communication goes A LONG WAY!!

They won't let us leave passengers in the dark during a holding pattern, shouldn't our employees be treated the same way?

Is that 8 week wait for IOE an ER thing or fleet wide?

CheapTrick 11-10-2015 06:26 AM

DAL 757. I'd say you got hired in the big boy leagues. So be a big boy. Many of us have waited on oe. In 25+ years I've had 16 schools (no kidding/lots of displacements back in the day). I've spent 6 weeks waiting on oe at least 3x. I went to 737a school and got displaced to the ERb before they could get me oe = 2 months at home. What other career pays you to stay at home? Enjoy it. Marie will get you on the line as soon as she can.


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