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Old 12-02-2015 | 07:18 AM
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OK, rules gurus….

What and where can one find the required time/distance for takeoff intervals between aircraft for wake separation.

examples: MD-88 behind 757
md-88 behind 737.

Im seeing a lot of large/small behind heavy references, but nothing which states that the 757 is now no longer considered a heavy…….
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Old 12-02-2015 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by boog123
OK, rules gurus….

What and where can one find the required time/distance for takeoff intervals between aircraft for wake separation.

examples: MD-88 behind 757
md-88 behind 737.

Im seeing a lot of large/small behind heavy references, but nothing which states that the 757 is now no longer considered a heavy…….
Maybe this?

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m.../N7110.519.pdf
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Old 12-02-2015 | 08:33 AM
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ATL controllers use 6000' of separation if on diverging RNAV departures. I'd like to see the reference on that as well.


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Old 12-02-2015 | 08:45 AM
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From FAAH 7110.65, para. 5-5-4:

1. Heavy behind heavy− 4 miles.
2. Large/heavy behind B757− 4 miles.
3. Small behind B757− 5 miles.
4. Small/large behind heavy − 5 miles.


These rules apply for departure and other phases of flight besides landing. The minima get modified a bit for landing aircraft.
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Old 12-02-2015 | 08:51 AM
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I found a bunch of the rules in JO 7110.65W
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Old 12-02-2015 | 09:32 AM
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In Chicago in an A320 I was cleared to take off behind a 757 as they were rotating. I asked the controller why he wasn't using 2 minutes or 5 miles and he said certain airports had authority to reduce the separation. Not sure exactly where to find that in writing though.
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Old 12-02-2015 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jayme
In Chicago in an A320 I was cleared to take off behind a 757 as they were rotating. I asked the controller why he wasn't using 2 minutes or 5 miles and he said certain airports had authority to reduce the separation. Not sure exactly where to find that in writing though.
Crosswind? Runway track versus runway heading?
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Old 12-02-2015 | 01:05 PM
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ORD is a RECAT airport
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Old 12-02-2015 | 02:35 PM
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Whoever granted that waiver has never hit wake.

Location and need shouldn't override minimum separations.
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Old 12-02-2015 | 02:44 PM
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Just ask for a one or two extra minutes. Shouldn't be a big deal.
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