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Flying MD 01-19-2016 05:31 PM

Main cabin oxygen
 
I am an anesthesiologist with 30 years of experience, and a frequent commercial passenger. As someone who works with inhaled gas mixtures every day, I started wondering about the passenger oxygen systems available when depressurization occurs at altitude. I knew that the oxygen generators were chemically-based canisters that provide a low flow of oxygen for 6-10 minutes, usually enough time to reach a lower altitude. I spoke with a number of flight attendants, but none of them had ever been in a real oxygen mask deployment. I also spoke with a few captains, two of which had been in such a situation. These two pilots stated that even with the low-flow oxygen, as many as 30 % of the passengers will lose consciousness until lower altitudes are reached. The actual number undoubtedly depends on the altitude at which pressurization is lost, the age and health of the passengers and the time before a lower altitude is reached. I was wondering if anyone else could confirm this scenario. Mark S Donnell, MD Silver City, NM

Al Czervik 01-19-2016 05:37 PM

Did the 30% pull the mask to activate the generator? Don't think you are going to have any validity in polling. Too many variables.

captjns 01-19-2016 05:52 PM

A blanket 30% statement made by a flight crewmember is rather unrealistic, unless the skipper or the officer runs through passenger cabin taking a head count of passed out passengers whilst the "Cabin Alt. Warning Horn" and "Emergency Descent" Non normal checklists are being accomplished.

Cabin crew who've experienced a R/D event are better to provide accurate information regarding incapacitated passengers rather than flight crewmembers.

The most common O2 chemical generator systems for many Boeing products provide O2 for about 12. Another system available for Boeing aircraft provide O2 for about 22 minutes.

Airbus may have different O2 generation systems... perhaps Airbus crews can chime in.

Glenntilton 01-19-2016 05:55 PM

It is not pressure breathing which is required at high altitudes. So many people will be unconscious but they will survive with the oxygen being provided

YAKflyer 01-19-2016 06:48 PM

^^^^^^
This

What I think is amazing is that the F/As don't even know that at FL390 they will be napping with their masks on until the aircraft gets to a lower altitude if there is a sudden decompression.

PRS Guitars 01-19-2016 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Glenntilton (Post 2051029)
It is not pressure breathing which is required at high altitudes. So many people will be unconscious but they will survive with the oxygen being provided

Agreed, and was taught this in AF altitude chamber training. They don't teach it at my airline though...I'd guess a lot of crew don't even realize this.

Senior Skipper 01-19-2016 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Glenntilton (Post 2051029)
It is not pressure breathing which is required at high altitudes. So many people will be unconscious but they will survive with the oxygen being provided

Willing to admit that I don't have as deep an understanding of this topic as you do. Thinking about it, it makes sense. Would you be able to provide a reference for this info?

MikeF16 01-19-2016 09:25 PM

If you could find a forum or FB page inhabited by USAF physiologists you could probably get some good information. Those guys are wicked smart on this topic.

VegassBus 01-20-2016 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2051026)
A blanket 30% statement made by a flight crewmember is rather unrealistic, unless the skipper or the officer runs through passenger cabin taking a head count of passed out passengers whilst the "Cabin Alt. Warning Horn" and "Emergency Descent" Non normal checklists are being accomplished.

Cabin crew who've experienced a R/D event are better to provide accurate information regarding incapacitated passengers rather than flight crewmembers.

The most common O2 chemical generator systems for many Boeing products provide O2 for about 12. Another system available for Boeing aircraft provide O2 for about 22 minutes.

Airbus may have different O2 generation systems... perhaps Airbus crews can chime in.

"13-15" minutes for 320 series

galaxy flyer 01-20-2016 03:40 AM

For FL510 cert, they open a valve simulating a lost window, the cabin goes up at aabout 2000fpm IF the ACMs are pumping in air. On a Global, turn off a pack at F450 and you won't know. The idea that the cabin will have an explosive decompression at crusie and nearly immediately match aircraft is incorrect unless it is near catastrophic fuselage damage.

GF


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