Spirit management will learn the hard way that you have to have some sort of a market contract, because if they don't, their pilots will bail. It's as simple as that. Allegiant, another ULCC, has decided to up their pay dramatically. Even Allegiant understands this principle.

Atlas and Spirit management teams will quite possibly be left at the altar with hardly any pilots left to fly their jets. Then, of course, both will cry and run to the government in a few years asking for some kind of help. That my friends would be socialism basically if they got help they need....ignore capitalism and the market...they want help because they are too cheap to pay. If they say we can't survive as a company otherwise...then so be it....its capitalism. That's like me starting a business that is failing because I can't keep up with realistic market demands and saying I should have my business...just because...

Screw that

Did you come from a regional? If so, was it better than here? Why did you leave for Spirit? Was it in the last 10 years?
I'm not flame baiting here. I'm really curious. I think that you've been around awhile, are these management antics something new to you?

I would advise you to pretty much ignore 90-100% of information on this forum. If you've got friends at Spirit ask them how things are. Feel free to PM me I've got plenty of unbiased info.

I agree! Feel free to pm me as well. No BS

Ok mr management plant or intern.

Lol, this is funny!

Dude, you work for friggin Allegiant. How would you have any clue what it's like over here right now? If your 'friends' here are happy with the state of this place, then they are part of the problem.

Ah I guess something I said struck a nerve with the "no BS" crowd. You want no BS?
-We are anywhere from 30-50% underpaid in hour rates to our peers.
-After 11 months amendable we have more sections open than closed
-Many proposals have been worse than what we currently have
-Grievance committee admits in emails they are swamped with record level of NCCs because of the companies noncompliance with the contract
-you're flying around new 320s with more seats than is contractually protected in our contract
-get hired now and without a change in orders or spike in senior attrition you won't upgrade
-you won't travel anywhere in training. They took that away too. Nor will you get paid more than $1750 a month until you complete IOE.
-every month there's a chance you won't be paid correctly (hint it's never in your favor)
-we have a VP of flight ops telling people if they want to be compensated well to go work at another airline.

This is just the cliff notes of 2016 at spirit. All of us that saw this in 2009-2010 play out with Contract 9000 will be glad to tell you history is repeating itself regardless of the crap Kool Aid everyone drinks from the job fairs

Unless you're at one of the real sh!tbag regionals NK is not necessarily better. I came from one of the "good" ones and I can tell you there are only 2 reasons to come here. 1) you're a new Fo at a regional and 2) you commute and NK has a base where you live. Even the second one is questionable.
People here really love their work rules but I think it's because most of them are freight retreads or corporate guy and don't know what's really out there. My regional had some better, some worse rules. But it's not amazing here. Anyone who says differently is clueless. If you're a regional captain, under 40 and have all the basic boxes checked I'd sit tight just my opinion.
This place is turning into a bunch of rats fleeing a sinking ship. While NK may not actually sink it's more obvious every day to everyone that it's time to go.

Lol. I have been at Spirit for a couple of years now after many years at 2 regionals. Everything word you said is true.
You didn't answer my questions. I'm trying to determine if you are speaking from experience or simply jumping on the band wagon.
Simply put, EVERY airline has problems that are considered horrible by the line pilots. Do you really think that we are uniquely bad? Don't get me wrong, we do have problems. I'm not saying that it's rainbows and unicorns, but no worse than any where else during section 6. Again, not flame baiting; but what is your reference? Please don't say that Delta, United etc don't experience what we do. They just have a different set of bs.
Finally, no I'm not mgmt, or an opentime wh@re, or whatever other name calling someone will come up with.