Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 328697)

You are an idiot.

See my above post.

Newsflash Einstein: We were all hurt by 9/11, not just you...

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 328688)

that's a great deal for delta's new hires considering you started hiring before nwa and that would allow you to take advantage of the senior pilots at nwa compared to the nwa new hires. shocking that delta new hires would think that way.

would delta have even been hiring if the top pilots didn't jump ship before the bankrupcy?

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 328704)

I don't know about nwa furloughs but I heard that delta furloughs got longevity in pay. when they came back they came back at 6th year pay not 1st. if that is the case I would make the argument that delta/nwa new hires are still feeling the affects of 9/11 more so than the furloughs because they didn't get longevity like them.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 328705)

Chill dude, you seem a little spooled up about this. I believe ACL65 is a post 9/11 hire at DAL. You sound like a NWA post 9/11 new hire. Everyone is going to lose something if this deal goes through. You say that everyone was hurt by 9/11, but explain why any pre 9/11 hire should give anything up for you.

Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 328696)

Here is why Delta and NWA will never come to a consensus without a mediator. Like you said, this argument is not rational. This argument is basically asking newer Delta pilots to take it in the rear for the pain caused to NWA after 9/11. Everyone is very sorry 9/11 happened, but if you think Delta "owes" you anything because of the crap that happened after 9/11, your wrong.

In this argument, you could be, say ~90 percent seniority at NWA. If you do merge with Delta, you demand at least, lets say ~80 percent seniority at the merged company if the highest post 9/11 Delta hire is at 81%.

That's ridiculous, and your right, not rational.

We're all very sorry 9/11 affected this industry so much, but guess what, that doesn't mean you have to take it out on the people who got hired post 9/11.

Remember, you may have been furloughed and cut wages for 5-6 years, but there are other people out there who were unable to get hired for 5-6 years too since NWA and Delta weren't hiring. So don't try and make the guys who hadn't been hired yet take it in the rear again just because they were hired at another carrier. Everyone was affected by 9/11; not just young guys at the airlines, but regional guys, military guys all around were affected.

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 328709)

Yes, Delta furloughees didn't lose any longevity, but I'm missing the link to your claim that new hires are feeling the effects of 9/11 because they aren't getting longevity. They weren't even hired. And to make the argument that they would have if 9/11 never happened is logically flawed. There is no way to tell who would have been hired. For all we know, airlines could have just stopped hiring in 02 or 03. Life sucks, but you deal with it. Same words that were given to me by a senior captain as I flew my last flight prior to being furloughed.

Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 328469)

It is time to say the right words to the Prom Queen or Delta will be going home solo. The Prom Queen can always stroll over the the other side of the dance floor and take home the dark horse(Alaska Air). She'll have dominance of the West and own Asia with that feeder. The DC9 may be an old broom but we'll be the Wicked Witch of the West if we make that move. It's time to sweet talk us or look out.....

Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 328709)

Yes, Delta furloughees didn't lose any longevity, but I'm missing the link to your claim that new hires are feeling the effects of 9/11 because they aren't getting longevity. They weren't even hired. And to make the argument that they would have if 9/11 never happened is logically flawed. There is no way to tell who would have been hired. For all we know, airlines could have just stopped hiring in 02 or 03. Life sucks, but you deal with it. Same words that were given to me by a senior captain as I flew my last flight prior to being furloughed.

Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 328706)

OK, so some want Delta to be penalized for their top pilots retiring?

Like it or not, the TOP guys at Delta are younger than the TOP guys at NWA.

If you wanna blame someone for the mixmatch of ages at NWA and Delta, blame the NWA guys who have stuck around. Granted, they didn't have the same reason to retire like the guys at Delta, but those guys at Delta are the senior guys there, I don't care if they are all 26 years old.

Age didn't matter when you got hired, and it shouldn't matter now. We're all very sorry some people didn't get hired when they were 24 years old. Now some people are 50 and wish they had been hired by Delta back then now since they would be at the top of their list.

If I were at Delta, I would hold my cards.

If this ever goes to mediation, NWA guys will get a lot less than Delta ever offered them IMO.

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 328711)

and it sounds like you are basically saying nwa new hires should take it in the rear because delta bought off the top pilots and started hiring a little before nwa. does the nwa new hire loose out on the expected retirements and give them to the delta new hire so they can benefit from both.

why not do this.
1. buy off the top 1000 nwa pilot. (I've heard that's the rough number of senior pilots at nwa vs. delta)
2. back fill the nwa seniority list with new hires to fill the void left just like delta has done and is doing.
3. then do a relative seniority list intergration. that way both airlines will have lost their senior pilot group and both airlines have benefited...