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757Driver 03-28-2008 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 350448)
Stand by for RA to say: "OK guys, I managed to stall this take-away for another week, but you have to act now. I've done all I can, and the BOD is about ready to go ahead without giving you anything." If the MECs do agree on a list, this gives them the political cover of having had "a gun to their heads" when the wailing and gnashing of teeth begins. :rolleyes:

Give that man a cigar.

War Eagle 83 03-28-2008 03:57 PM

Yup,SOP for ALPO!!!!! You guys will love the vague language of ALPO merger policy!:D

groundstop 03-28-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 350457)
What's amazing is that management believes they will alienate the labor group with the largest influence over energy costs and expect to realize operational efficiencies.

You know something I don't get? Wasn't USAir #1 in ontime performance a month or two ago?

reddog25 03-28-2008 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tractor Bob (Post 350408)
Not trying to be offensive to anyone....But, it seems to me management doesn't need the pilots advice or consent to merge. I can't think of any mergers where anyone cared what pilots think. They offered some $$$ to get you guys to agree, for whatever reason you didn't. No money just time to bend over and take it. That really sucks for a lot of great men and women pilots who, for a brief moment, had leverage and a chance to get something meaningful out the company. I wish you all the best. All mergers suck.

TB

100% concur....NWA DOH Dec 1987...wish we could have come to an agreement. It will be forced on us now...geez pilots are pig headed....

sailingfun 03-29-2008 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tractor Bob (Post 350408)
Not trying to be offensive to anyone....But, it seems to me management doesn't need the pilots advice or consent to merge. I can't think of any mergers where anyone cared what pilots think. They offered some $$$ to get you guys to agree, for whatever reason you didn't. No money just time to bend over and take it. That really sucks for a lot of great men and women pilots who, for a brief moment, had leverage and a chance to get something meaningful out the company. I wish you all the best. All mergers suck.

TB

This is not quite true. There are several different provisions in the current Delta contract that would cause management problems if they attempt to merge without a joint contract. In particular the scope sections dealing with RJ's. The limits are numbers not percentages. The combined feed of the two airlines would be way over the limit. The contract also has limits on international code share that are in block hours. Until the two companies came together under one contract they would be in violation of that section also. This is one of the reasons the company wanted a joint contract upfront.

Tractor Bob 03-29-2008 02:50 AM

Contracts with management remind me of the treaties with the Native Americans. I.E. you can have everything west of the Mississippi. I had a no furlough clause at an airline, once....Still furloughed.
Somehow they(management) always find a way around it(that pesky contract). Thankfully, I don't have a dog in this fight....I sincerely wish you luck.

JetFlyer06 03-29-2008 05:04 AM

Keep in mind that when he was at NWA, Anderson dealt with the whole red book/green book thing and saw the strife created by that firsthand. He doesn't want to see that happen with a DAL/NWA merger - but that can all change of course if oil hits $120/bbl. Like others have stated hopefully we can work something out if they decide to merge - I'd personally hate to see a division between the groups like they have with US Air East/West.

Skywriting 03-29-2008 05:25 AM

It is really quite simple. If the boards of directors say it will happen. Guess what! It will happen.

slowplay 03-29-2008 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywriting (Post 350798)
It is really quite simple. If the boards of directors say it will happen. Guess what! It will happen.

Really?

Didn't the boards of UAL and AAA say a merger was going to happen? How'd that one work out?

Dougie Parker thought LCC/DAL was a slam dunk. His board, a whole lotta banks and some DAL creditors thought so too. How'd that one work out?

Opus 03-29-2008 07:39 AM

Slowplay,

I know you are against this merger but comparing it with America West attempts last year you are mixing apples and oranges. First, KLM/Air France have fronted 1B to help subsidize this deal plus there are numerous other investors that are pushing for it as well. Not to mention that both BODs want this deal to happen. The published business plan would have the combined airline profitable at 120bl. (If you wish to dispute this number please call your rep and ask him/her. This number was officially published by R.A and was another justification for the merger).

Since there are many forces that are desirous for this to happen the respective pilot groups should refocus their efforts and accept the fact that this may happen whether we want it to or not. Ergo, bashing each other is a waste of time whereas recognizing that this may happen and work toward an equitable agreement would be more productive.


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