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Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg (Post 361084)

Since the DAL pilots refused an arbitration offer from NWA pilots, it stands to reason that the NWA guys were confident with their seniority proposal and the DAL guys felt disadvantaged.

NWA CA buddy of mine basically said that DAL pilots have signed a deal with DA for more $$$ and threw the NWA guys under the bus.

I don't think that the NWA negotiators were necessarily confident with their proposal, as much as they were simply doing things the way they usually do: turn it over to a third party. I would rather we maintained control of our own destiny by negotiating an agreement. Arbitration leaves too much to chance; leaving anything to the luck of the draw is not in my DNA, and I'll bet that it's not in the DNA of most pilots- NWA pilots included.

As for throwing them under the bus, I don't think we did any such thing. This merger is going to happen- with or without our input. DALPA's deal allows our pilots to capture some contract improvements after the merger. The NWA guys may eventually be working under the same contract, and I think it will be a significant improvement over their present PWA.

Bear in mind that we are trading a valuable part of our scope clause for these contract improvements. The NWA contract obviously doesn't contain this valuable verbiage, yet the NWA pilots stand to eventually gain these contract improvements because of our scope clause.

It's already been mentioned on these boards, but bears repeating. The NWA MEC Chairman said he would not trade contract improvements for seniority; this deal now gives the NWA MEC the choice. They can remain separate, and enjoy advancement due to retirements and 787 deliveries, or they can merge their seniority list with ours, and enjoy better pay, better work rules, more equipment options, and more bases.

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Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg (Post 361084)

NWA CA buddy of mine basically said that DAL pilots have signed a deal with DA for more $$$ and threw the NWA guys under the bus. My question is: how much more money is involved since it was the DAL pilots that felt disadvantaged by arbitration--which is where this is ultimately going. In short, DAL is seen here as selling out their seniority. I have to wonder what it was worth?

You guys don't get it. Once the SLI is figured out, either through negotiation or arbitration, then the ex NW pilots will be covered by the DL CBA, reaping all the benefits and pay that were negotiated earlier. Why not capture the pay now instead of waiting a few years. Right now, we are separate companies and as such are allowed to negotiate with our own management. Should DALPA be looking out for the NW pilot's best interests? What is NWALPA doing for me?

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Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 361152)

Bear in mind that we are trading a valuable part of our scope clause for these contract improvements.

Does this part of your scope clause involve having NW pilots, as a separate group doing DL flying or is it with respect to DCI?

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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 361771)

Does this part of your scope clause involve having NW pilots, as a separate group doing DL flying or is it with respect to DCI?

It's the part which prevents Delta from operating mainline aircraft with two different pilot groups. Where are you guys getting the idea that we are relaxing scope on DCI?