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Wooopigpilot 04-16-2008 06:06 AM

What does this mean for poolies?
 
I was scheduled to go to class with NWA later this summer and got an email last week saying that they had cnxl all remaining classes for 08 after the April 7 class. It did go on to say that my offer of employment was good until April 4, 2009. But that was all last week before the big news. Do ya'll think that New Delta will honor the NWA poolies offers of employment?

acl65pilot 04-16-2008 07:14 AM

Probably not. The did not honor poolies from their last round.
DAL has vastly different requirements that NWA. (Borderline ridiculous at times)
Now, I could be completely wrong. NWA's MEC could have it written in their contract or the combined contract could include you, but I would not hold my breath.

jiminmem 04-16-2008 07:40 AM

Unfornately it looks like Delta wants to run this show completely, so I wouldn't be too hopeful. Myabe I'm wrong, which I'll keep my fingers crossed is the case.

E1Out 04-16-2008 07:43 AM

Hey NWA guys - I looked up on this site out of curiosity to see how many pilots you have on your seniority list and this is what it said:

5,156 Total
4,523 Active
188 (non i Furlough)

Can someone either explain to me what that means, or tell me how many pilots are on your list? Thanks. :)

maddogmax 04-16-2008 09:09 AM

Active means available to fly. The rest are on Mil Leave, long term sick, medically retired, etc. Some will be back, some won't

ugleeual 04-16-2008 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 365463)
Probably not. The did not honor poolies from their last round.
DAL has vastly different requirements that NWA. (Borderline ridiculous at times)
Now, I could be completely wrong. NWA's MEC could have it written in their contract or the combined contract could include you, but I would not hold my breath.

Never happen... Poolies will get letters withdrawing the conditional offer.

jiminmem 04-16-2008 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 365685)
Never happen... Poolies will get letters withdrawing the conditional offer.

Very nice of them.

JetFlyer06 04-16-2008 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by E1Out (Post 365497)
Hey NWA guys - I looked up on this site out of curiosity to see how many pilots you have on your seniority list and this is what it said:

5,156 Total
4,523 Active
188 (non i Furlough)

Can someone either explain to me what that means, or tell me how many pilots are on your list? Thanks. :)

5156 is accurate as of the Jan 2008 seniority list.

YAKflyer 04-16-2008 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Wooopigpilot (Post 365386)
I was scheduled to go to class with NWA later this summer and got an email last week saying that they had cnxl all remaining classes for 08 after the April 7 class. It did go on to say that my offer of employment was good until April 4, 2009. But that was all last week before the big news. Do ya'll think that New Delta will honor the NWA poolies offers of employment?

First, anything said here would be conjecture......so take everything with a grain of salt. Second, perhaps a NWA pilot can explain this better, but NWA has look back block hour limits which will require hiring of 200 pilots before the end of the year just to be in compliance with the current contract. Third, when NWA pilots are brought up to DAL work rules it will require an additional 400 pilots. Fourth, after close it will be quite some time before the two airlines operate under the same certificate, so the additional pilots required for the NWA system will likely flow through the NWA employment office as they will have to be trained by NWA to meet the requirements of the NWA certificate. Fifth and maybe most important, there is historical precedence for my fourth point. When Delta acquired Western both companies embarked on a massive hiring program. Western continued to hire for over a year after the merger closed using Western standards.

I think there is an excellent chance you will be in class before Christmas.

acl65pilot 04-16-2008 11:32 PM

Maybe maybe not. Hope they do hire though.

YAKflyer 04-17-2008 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 366337)
Maybe maybe not. Hope they do hire though.


Exactly my point.......no one knows at this time. Certainly if an agreement with the Northwest MEC can be made quickly the odds increase significantly, but I think the glass is way over half full........

AV8ER13 04-17-2008 05:59 AM

I think it would be nice if someone, probably within "both" unions, made sure they were hired. Not b.c. I am a NWA guy, but b.c. remember what it was like, remember how hard it was to get the interview and pass, and then that feeling of...wheew, I am almost there. Its kinda like being furloughed or kicked in the nuts...I know they dont have a number, but comeone throw them a bone...its not there fault.

If nothing else, they should go to the front of the line to interview at the New DAL...but I still say make sure they get hired!

flyguy1012 04-17-2008 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by AV8ER13 (Post 366444)
I think it would be nice if someone, probably within "both" unions, made sure they were hired. Not b.c. I am a NWA guy, but b.c. remember what it was like, remember how hard it was to get the interview and pass, and then that feeling of...wheew, I am almost there. Its kinda like being furloughed or kicked in the nuts...I know they dont have a number, but comeone throw them a bone...its not there fault.

If nothing else, they should go to the front of the line to interview at the New DAL...but I still say make sure they get hired!


AV8ER

I agree with you. I certainly hope they have the opportunity to interview relatively quickly when hiring resumes.

acl65pilot 04-17-2008 11:57 AM

I totally agree, but I am not sure that either side wants to give something up ( in the combined PWA) for that.
IMHO this management is good. Maybe just maybe they will honor all hires.


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