Delta Payrates
 

This may have been posted before. These are the payrates as of Jan 1, 2008 for the NW fleet incorporated into the Delta contract via LOA 19.


747-400 191.13
747-200 187.50
787 183.10
A330 174.08
A319/20 148.03
DC-9 138.05


These are Capt. at 12yrs. With LOA 19 the Jan 1,2009 rates will be increased 5%.

I got the chance to listen to Lee Moak and the rest of the DALPA leadership today. The overridng concern of all of them is to get a single contract and merge our pilot groups as soon as possible.

do these rates take effect at the merger date or only with a SLI?

Only with an SLI and the closing of the merger...it's called leverage.

Carl

At the Date of Corporate Closure (DCC). The rates listed plus 5% will go into effect on Jan 1, 2009. If the DCC has not been completed by Jan 1 then the pay will be retroactive.

If things work out right these rates will not go into effect and we will be working under on contract. I guess they are a benchmark from which to start negotiating a common agreement.

Not quite right, Carl. Unless you can get a deal with your management using the leverage that you have, it's only with the closing of the corporate deal (merger transaction) and when we have a joint contract. My bet is that DAL pushes for contract first, then SLI, to avoid a replay of what's going on at LCC. Also, the seniority list has no impact on either DAL or NWA pilots until a joint contract is implemented and the carrier has a single operating certificate. Prior to that time the operations are independent, and there's no commingling of pilot crews.

Richard Anderson and Ed Bastian stood in front of 2000 Delta employees Tuesday and said their goal was a joint contract for the pilots prior to the corporate deal closing. With a joint contract and completed SLI, they can maximize the revenue and minimize the costs associated with the pilot portions of this merger. Without them, they don't get some of the cost savings and leave some of the revenue on the table. Again, look at LCC.

Each day that there's delay in completing the deal (both corporate and pilot) there'll be less money on the table for us to fight overhttp://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...ons/icon10.gif. Stephens may think he's doing some great positioning on youtube, but he's arguing about missing pushback with a gate agent. The plane has departed.

thanks sully

was equity included if it's done before the merger date?

what leverage? oh.. MANAGEMENT's leverage... ours was squandered.

really....

it's the carrot in front of the NWA pilots. the sooner you give into deltas idea of a SLI the sooner you get the raise. there is no incentive for delta to negociate, only nwa.

besides the pay if you decide to furlough and delta has a no furlough clause and nwa doesn't, who gets furloughed? if it's only nwa then that is a lot of leverage for delta pilots. I don't know if it works that way but if it does, and you start furloughing, you have to ask yourself would delta pilots just walk away at that point.

Anybody know of the FO rates?

Thanks

Delta 12 year FO rates are 68.3% of Captain rates. These are approximate, as the paytables haven't been published yet:

Answered your own question. Particularly if the DC9 fleet get rationalized.

Both you and I need a joint contract. I like the FO rates on NWA equipment, not that I'd bid any of it, and it sets a foundation to build on that is good for you.

What will be the current rates on the 777, 757/767 and MD-80? Also when DAL has a training event for a new aircraft what length freeze is inquired?

Thanks

These are the current Delta rates (as of January 1st, 2008), with the new LOA 19 rates mixed in. None of these include the 5% bump on January 1st, 2009, or the subsequent 4% annual bump-ups.

It's a 2-year aircraft lock for a training event, except 767 to 7ER and M88 to M90 (or M90 to M88), which are 9 months. (7ER to 767 is free.)

Thanks for posting, StripAlert.

Again Eric you seem to have very bad information. DALPA has put out in print several times that they want to complete a new joint contract before we resume any discussions on the SLI. That removes LOA 19 as leverage against the NWA pilots. Please read all the information.

I'm a 320 FO and thinking about bidding the 757....FOUR year training freeze for us (NWA..320 to 757) as it stands now. Any thoughts on if that will all change with the merger?? Hate to get tied up for FOUR years...but I can bid it this Fall (frozen on the 320 til then)

Thanks...

Yeah, what are the training freezes at DAL?

I think someone just said it above. But it's 2 year lock for a training event.

It is a 2 year freeze from the date the advance entitlement come out, not your training event!


I was awarded B777 F/O in Aug 07, Sims Dec 07, IOE's Jan 08 & on the line Feb 08. I can bid a new category starting Aug 09.



Kevin

Other pay rates at DAL-

Delta CEO's 2007 compensation more than $11M. Not bad for 4 months of work.

Delta-NW merger would axe 1,000 headquarters jobs. What the heck, how did you think I was going to be able to get paid $11M?


By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/25/08
Delta Air Lines Chief Executive Richard Anderson received more than $11 million in compensation last year after he took the reins at the Atlanta-based carrier, according to its proxy statement filed Thursday.

Anderson's who became Delta's CEO last September, was paid $200,000 in salary during the last four months of the year.

As Delta disclosed several months ago, Anderson also received stock-related compensation totaling more than $10.5 million. Delta said Anderson received other compensation totaling about $528,000.

A Delta spokesman said the value of those stock options and other awards has declined as Delta's share price has declined. "Delta's compensation philosophy is that the majority of compensation should be at risk and tied directly to the company's performance," said Delta's Kent Landers.

According to the proxy, Delta President Ed Bastian received $421,677 in salary and more than $9 million in stock-related awards, plus other compensation of about $795,000.

Michael Campbell, Delta's executive vice president-human resources, got a $346,813 salary, almost $5.5 million in stock awards, and other compensation totaling $428,820.

What the hell is other?

I haven't seen an "other" category on my paycheck that totaled well over my regular earnings.

More management mumbo-jumbo.

"Other" is the money they took from the employees to give to management. You know, those country club dues and chi-chi prep schools cost a lot of money. Can't have your senior executives rubbing shoulders at the second rate CC's with the regional airline managers.

If I'm not mistaken, there's no longer a 9-month lock for going from the MD88 to the MD90. I understand that differences training is now done via distance learning on a CD, so no special trip to the school house.

Whew !just imagine what these rates schould be ,then we would be talking some real money here .:eek:

Tom W. Give me a PM!!

LOA 19 payrates. This is for 1/1/09. In 2012 the 767 rate will be 129.00 for a 12 year FO. NWA - get on board, these pay rates are not so bad (considering the environment we are in).


1/1/2009
First Officer 12 YR 11 YR 10 YR 9 YR 8 YR 7 YR 6 YR 5 YR 4 YR 3 YR 2 YR 1 YR
B747-400 137.07 135.84 134.62 132.82 131.41 128.46 124.97 121.89 119.05 116.22 99.32 52.09
B777 137.07 135.84 134.62 132.82 131.41 128.46 124.97 121.89 119.05 116.22 99.32 52.09
B747/B747F 134.46 133.25 132.04 130.26 128.88 125.98 122.54 119.51 116.72 113.95 97.37 52.09
B787 131.31 130.13 128.94 127.21 125.86 123.02 119.67 116.71 113.98 111.27 95.08 52.09
B767-400ER 129.47 128.32 127.17 125.45 124.12 121.34 118.04 115.14 112.44 109.78 93.82 52.09
A330-200/300 124.84 123.72 122.60 120.94 119.65 116.96 113.78 10.98 108.37 105.79 90.41 52.09
B767-300ER 114.73 113.39 112.02 110.19 109.08 106.58 103.73 101.19 98.78 96.43 82.40 52.09
B767-300 114.73 113.39 112.02 110.19 109.08 106.58 103.73 101.19 98.78 96.43 82.40 52.09
B767-200 114.73 113.39 112.02 110.19 109.08 106.58 103.73 101.19 98.78 96.43 82.40 52.09
B757 114.73 113.39 112.02 110.19 109.08 106.58 103.73 101.19 98.78 96.43 82.40 52.09
B737-900 110.58 109.59 108.58 107.12 105.98 103.60 100.77 98.29 95.98 93.69 80.08 52.09
B737-800 110.03 109.04 108.05 106.61 105.48 103.11 100.32 97.85 95.56 93.27 79.72 52.09
B737-700 110.03 109.04 108.05 106.61 105.48 103.11 100.32 97.85 95.56 93.27 79.72 52.09
A320 106.16 105.20 104.25 102.84 101.75 99.45 96.75 94.36 92.15 89.95 76.87 52.09
A319 106.16 105.20 104.25 102.84 101.75 99.45 96.75 94.36 92.15 89.95 76.87 52.09
MD-90 104.26 102.96 101.66 99.94 98.89 96.60 93.94 91.61 89.37 87.20 74.49 52.09
MD-88 101.82 100.43 99.13 97.32 96.30 94.03 91.36 89.02 86.81 84.62 72.24 52.09
DC-9 99.00 98.13 97.23 95.92 94.91 92.77 90.26 88.02 85.98 83.94 71.73 52.09
B737-300G 99.00 98.13 97.23 95.92 94.91 92.77 90.26 88.02 85.98 83.94 71.73 52.09
B737-200/300 99.00 98.13 97.23 95.92 94.91 92.77 90.26 88.02 85.98 83.94 71.73 52.09
EMB-195 83.12 82.39 81.63 80.52 79.67 77.88 75.78 73.90 72.18 70.47 60.22 52.09