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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 491493)
Payrates are meaningless when comparing because all of the rates, including the "new" ones are concessionary rates.;)
When my mortgage is due my payrate is most decidedly not meaningless. How your pilot group came to arrive at their rate may be water under the bridge, but what that rate currently stands at is huge. Both in QOL and what they may or may not bring to the table. As long as one of the companies involved in a merger is not "circling the bowl" as neither of us are, then from where I stand it matters not how much NW or DL made in the last quarter. I care about how much of that profit you saw in your paycheck. DAL's quarterly reports don't mean a damn to me as long as they are black. What my W-2 says reflects the QOL of my wife & kids. So I expect that W-2 and QOL to stay exactly the same or better than they were before. Why wouldn't they? This aquisition is a good thing for everybody right? |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 491498)
We've been over this already Xray. Consistent with ALPA merger policy is different from being IN ALPA merger policy. This arbitration is outside the process. We're plowing new ground
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 491542)
If in the future we get the A380 or something like it,
You really need to start understanding the mindset of the Delta bureaucracy. Regardless of the fact that RA was former NW and half the senior executive suite is former NW, the management minions, much like the eunuchs of the old Chinese Emperors, are the true decision makers. The ATL airport is incapable of handling the A380, and there are no plans to ever modify the infastructure to do so. Accordingly, DL will not operate the A380 because, even though LAX and JFK can handle it, ATL can't and therefore DL's eunuchs, not being able to see beyond the borders of their fiefdoms, will determine that we don't need it. |
The 380 is like the Concorde, just bigger. It is built and owned for reasons of national pride. It isn't a money maker.
If it was about profit, do you think Airlines would be installing hotel rooms, showers, a jacuzzi and spa facilities? Delta is here to make money. We need it to make money. |
disregard...
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 491496)
I can promise you one thing Scoop - NWA pilots ratified the JCBA IN SPITE of the way those pay rates combined aircraft. The 747 being paid the same as a 777 even though the 747 carries over 100 more passengers made it pretty clear that DAL couldn't tolerate NWA operating an aircraft that would pay more than a 777. It was made all the more grating now that DALPA has made pay part of the equation for the SLI proposal.
Carl, The only other US passenger carrier that flies both the 747 and 777 is UAL and guess what the pay rate is? The same! This rate was calculated by a single unified ALPA Pilot group who realized the 777 is the future and 747 is the past. Why would the UAL pilot group commit such a travesty? Could they not see what the NW pilots see, which is what exactly, that compensation should be based on seats exclusivley and not take other factors such as the newest equipment into account.? I hope not, because planes are certianly going to keep getting newer but not necessarily bigger. And Super it was the same before the concessions. Lets face it the 747 was the biggest and best in 1970, now its just big and old. It is no longer the biggest, it doesn't fly the farthest or carry the most. In its heday it was the King, the biggest baddest thing around but then again thats when the F-4 ruled the skies. Scoop I thought United used to max out at around $350 for the 747 and around $300 for the 777 prior to the concessions? |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 491479)
Nu,
Why should the 330 be paired with the 777? :confused: Current 12 year Capt rates are: A 330 - $162/hour 767-400 $181/hour Joint payrates ratified overwhelmingly by NW Pilots: A 330- $182 767-400 $ 189 Unless its that "Super Premium" factor which we cannot put a price on. As a matter of fact its "priceless." :) Scoop Isn't the A330-300 actually larger than both the 767-400 and 777? |
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 492049)
Why would there be two different payrates for those airplanes?
Isn't the A330-300 actually larger than both the 767-400 and 777? |
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Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 491522)
Scoop wasn't the travesty the concessionary contract that brought the 2 payscales together? I thought United used to max out at around $350 for the 747 and around $300 for the 777 prior to the concessions? The concessions lowered all payrates the same %. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 492101)
max T/O weight for the A330-300 is about 507,000. Max T/O for the 777 is about 750,000. For the 764 its about 450,000.
That still doesn't explain why there is a pay difference between the A330 and 764. |
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