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12-08-2008, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AV8ER13
How bad is it for us...I can't find it yet.
12-08-2008, 08:06 PM
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In case anyone is locked out of their website here's part of the award.
Summarizing, based on the record in its entirety, we conclude a four-category list, constructed on a Status and Category/Ratio basis, will properly respond to the demands of fairness and equity in the context of these particular facts. We have, as indicated above, adopted a “snapshot date” of July 1, 2008, for constructing the category
Summarizing, based on the record in its entirety, we conclude a four-category list, constructed on a Status and Category/Ratio basis, will properly respond to the demands of fairness and equity in the context of these particular facts. We have, as indicated above, adopted a “snapshot date” of July 1, 2008, for constructing the category
43 Part I, Section E.4 of the ALPA Merger Policy specifies that “[t]he date of hire shall be the date upon
which a pilot first appears upon the Company’s payroll as a pilot and also begins initial operational
training required to perform such duties in airline operations.”
The Pilots of Northwest Airlines, Inc.
and The Pilots of Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Page 29 of 32
which a pilot first appears upon the Company’s payroll as a pilot and also begins initial operational
training required to perform such duties in airline operations.”
The Pilots of Northwest Airlines, Inc.
and The Pilots of Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Page 29 of 32
ratios, and we are incorporating the Pull and Plug mechanism described above to deal with the Arbitration issues. Constructive notice to pilots is found to have occurred April 14, 2008.
Constructing the Integrated System Seniority List. The ISSL has been constructed from the pre-merger Delta and pre-merger Northwest pilot seniority lists in effect on November 1, 2008, as provided to the Panel
by the parties, in the manner set forth below. The relative position of each pilot on the pre-merger lists remained unchanged on the ISSL.
1. All pilots on long-term sick leave (12 months or longer) were removed
from the pre-merger lists.
2. The 274 oldest Northwest pilots were removed from the pre-merger list.
3. The first 3045 positions on the ISSL were filled with the first 1961 Delta
pilots and 1084 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1961:1084 beginning with a Delta pilot.
4. The next 2433 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 1313 Delta
pilots and 1120 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1313:1120 beginning with a Delta pilot.
5. The next 3932 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 2580 Delta
pilots and 1352 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
2580:1352 beginning with a Delta pilot.
6. The ISSL was completed with Delta and Northwest pilots remaining on the
pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1314:957 Delta to Northwest pilots beginning
with a Delta pilot until both pre-merger lists are exhausted subject to
paragraph 7, below.
7. All pilots with dates of hire after April 14, 2008, were placed at the bottom
of the ISSL in order of date of hire.
8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above
the next junior Northwest pilot.
Constructing the Integrated System Seniority List. The ISSL has been constructed from the pre-merger Delta and pre-merger Northwest pilot seniority lists in effect on November 1, 2008, as provided to the Panel
by the parties, in the manner set forth below. The relative position of each pilot on the pre-merger lists remained unchanged on the ISSL.
1. All pilots on long-term sick leave (12 months or longer) were removed
from the pre-merger lists.
2. The 274 oldest Northwest pilots were removed from the pre-merger list.
3. The first 3045 positions on the ISSL were filled with the first 1961 Delta
pilots and 1084 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1961:1084 beginning with a Delta pilot.
4. The next 2433 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 1313 Delta
pilots and 1120 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
1313:1120 beginning with a Delta pilot.
5. The next 3932 positions on the ISSL were filled with the next 2580 Delta
pilots and 1352 Northwest pilots on the pre-merger lists in a ratio of
2580:1352 beginning with a Delta pilot.
6. The ISSL was completed with Delta and Northwest pilots remaining on the
pre-merger lists in a ratio of 1314:957 Delta to Northwest pilots beginning
with a Delta pilot until both pre-merger lists are exhausted subject to
paragraph 7, below.
7. All pilots with dates of hire after April 14, 2008, were placed at the bottom
of the ISSL in order of date of hire.
8. The Northwest pilots pulled in paragraph 2. were inserted directly above
the next junior Northwest pilot.
The Pilots of Northwest Airlines, Inc.
and The Pilots of Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Page 30 of 32
and The Pilots of Delta Air Lines, Inc.
Page 30 of 32
9. The pilots on long-term sick leave pulled in paragraph 1. were inserted
directly above the next junior pilot on his/her respective pre-merger list.
Finally, as an integral part of the ISSL we have fashioned Conditions and Restrictions that are incorporated as this Board’s Award .
directly above the next junior pilot on his/her respective pre-merger list.
Finally, as an integral part of the ISSL we have fashioned Conditions and Restrictions that are incorporated as this Board’s Award .
AWARD
A. The Integrated System Seniority List (ISSL) for the pilots at Delta Airlines shall be the List attached to this Award as Exhibit A.
B. Conditions and Restrictions
1. These conditions and restrictions are an integral part of the ISSL and shall remain in full force and effect until their expiration by their terms.
2. Pilots hired after April 14, 2008, shall be junior to all pilots on the ISSL
and shall be listed in order of date of hire consistent with the Joint
Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA.).
3. Neither the implementation of the ISSL nor the implementation or
expiration of a condition or restriction herein, in and of itself, shall cause
the displacement of any pilot from his or her then-current position
(including pilots who have been awarded positions but had not
commenced or completed training).
4. For the period of five (5) years beginning with the first bid period after the issuance of the Single Operating Certificate (SOC), no pre-merger
Northwest pilot may be awarded or displaced to a vacancy on a B777
aircraft or category and no pre-merger Delta pilot may be awarded or
displaced to a B787 or B747 vacancy.
5. Should the merged company take delivery of any aircraft which is/are a
replacement of any aircraft covered by Paragraph 4., the captain positions
and, as applicable, the first officer positions on each such replacement
B. Conditions and Restrictions
1. These conditions and restrictions are an integral part of the ISSL and shall remain in full force and effect until their expiration by their terms.
2. Pilots hired after April 14, 2008, shall be junior to all pilots on the ISSL
and shall be listed in order of date of hire consistent with the Joint
Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA.).
3. Neither the implementation of the ISSL nor the implementation or
expiration of a condition or restriction herein, in and of itself, shall cause
the displacement of any pilot from his or her then-current position
(including pilots who have been awarded positions but had not
commenced or completed training).
4. For the period of five (5) years beginning with the first bid period after the issuance of the Single Operating Certificate (SOC), no pre-merger
Northwest pilot may be awarded or displaced to a vacancy on a B777
aircraft or category and no pre-merger Delta pilot may be awarded or
displaced to a B787 or B747 vacancy.
5. Should the merged company take delivery of any aircraft which is/are a
replacement of any aircraft covered by Paragraph 4., the captain positions
and, as applicable, the first officer positions on each such replacement
aircraft will be allocated in accordance with the Paragraph 4. restrictions
on the type it is replacing.
6. Paragraph 4. shall expire on the fifth (5th) anniversary of the SOC. Any
bid awards or displacements effective after that date will not be subject to this restriction.
7. If there are insufficient bidders from one pre-merger pilot group for a
posted or contingent vacancy on one side of the fence during the period
covered by Paragraph 4., unfilled vacancies may be filled by pilots from the other pre-merger airline.
8. A pilot awarded a position (via an AE, MD or VD) to a category as a result of insufficient bidders will, for the purposes of processing future
displacements in accordance with Section 22 F. of the JCBA, be considered as junior to all pilots from the pre-merger pilot group that was entitled to that category.
9. From November 1, 2008, until the first bid period following issuance of
the SOC, any furloughs that are the result of the reduction in flying in the
pre-merger aircraft contained in each airline's pre-merger fleet shall be
borne by the pilots from that pre-merger airline regardless of their system
seniority; provided, however, that any furloughs resulting from such
reduction in B757 shall be shared on a 1:1 basis.
10. In accordance with ALPA Merger Policy and Paragraph 7. of the Process Agreement, representatives of the pre-merger Delta MEC and pre-merger Northwest MEC will adopt a simple process for resolving questions
concerning the interpretation or application of the ISSL by this Award.
11. In accordance with ALPA Merger Policy and Paragraphs 7. and 9. of the Process Agreement, this Arbitration Board shall retain jurisdiction to
resolve any unresolved disputes between the pre-merger pilot groups as to the terms of the Dispute Resolution Process and/or the interpretation or
on the type it is replacing.
6. Paragraph 4. shall expire on the fifth (5th) anniversary of the SOC. Any
bid awards or displacements effective after that date will not be subject to this restriction.
7. If there are insufficient bidders from one pre-merger pilot group for a
posted or contingent vacancy on one side of the fence during the period
covered by Paragraph 4., unfilled vacancies may be filled by pilots from the other pre-merger airline.
8. A pilot awarded a position (via an AE, MD or VD) to a category as a result of insufficient bidders will, for the purposes of processing future
displacements in accordance with Section 22 F. of the JCBA, be considered as junior to all pilots from the pre-merger pilot group that was entitled to that category.
9. From November 1, 2008, until the first bid period following issuance of
the SOC, any furloughs that are the result of the reduction in flying in the
pre-merger aircraft contained in each airline's pre-merger fleet shall be
borne by the pilots from that pre-merger airline regardless of their system
seniority; provided, however, that any furloughs resulting from such
reduction in B757 shall be shared on a 1:1 basis.
10. In accordance with ALPA Merger Policy and Paragraph 7. of the Process Agreement, representatives of the pre-merger Delta MEC and pre-merger Northwest MEC will adopt a simple process for resolving questions
concerning the interpretation or application of the ISSL by this Award.
11. In accordance with ALPA Merger Policy and Paragraphs 7. and 9. of the Process Agreement, this Arbitration Board shall retain jurisdiction to
resolve any unresolved disputes between the pre-merger pilot groups as to the terms of the Dispute Resolution Process and/or the interpretation or
application of this Award.
12-09-2008, 03:48 AM
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Position: DAL A320 CA
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
It's on the NWA Merger page. Click the "seniority list arbitration" link and its the top link after that. Looks like pretty close to straight ratio, no staple of NWA guys on the bottom. I'm an Oct 99 hire, and I'm between two DAL guys hired Feb 2001. No text of any kind of conditions or restrictions yet that I can find.
If that's the case don't feel bad I'm a 1991 DAL hire behind a 1995 NWA hire (middle of the combined list) so it must be a fair list. A lot of shuffling went on to make it that way. I can't see how either side got the best of the deal. The only thing that would make me feel better is if I still had my pension.
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