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Scrapdaddy 03-08-2018 12:43 PM

Merger
 
Rumor on the line is that there is a merger in the works. Anyone have any supporting details on it?

calmwinds 03-08-2018 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2546306)
Rumor on the line is that there is a merger in the works. Anyone have any supporting details on it?

I heard we were getting acquired by SkyWest. Lol. Eye roll.

nickbillfish 03-08-2018 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2546306)
Rumor on the line is that there is a merger in the works. Anyone have any supporting details on it?

Probably a ploy to get simulator time we have pilots in training! LOL

YVslave 03-08-2018 01:58 PM

It's 100% true. The union is at this moment working on the proposed seniority integration plan. :rolleyes:

NovemberBravo 03-08-2018 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2546306)
Rumor on the line is that there is a merger in the works. Anyone have any supporting details on it?

I doubt it, if a merger was imminent I doubt JO would have fired Fooley and all those other management people.

calmwinds 03-08-2018 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2546623)
I doubt it, if a merger was imminent I doubt JO would have fired Fooley and all those other management people.

In a merger, there is an acquirer and an acquiree. Maybe, Mesa is wanting to sell before things go downhill further. Who knows? I haven’t heard this rumor yet.

flysooner9 03-09-2018 03:12 PM

Only a matter of time before we start seeing regional consolidation.

calmwinds 03-09-2018 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2546623)
I doubt it, if a merger was imminent I doubt JO would have fired Fooley and all those other management people.

Those guys were fired because we broke the terms of the United contract in January.....

Cloudsurfer83 03-09-2018 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2546319)
I heard we were getting acquired by SkyWest. Lol. Eye roll.

That's who... I heard we were merging with Expressjet :eek: hahaha

calmwinds 03-09-2018 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer83 (Post 2547448)
That's who... I heard we were merging with Expressjet :eek: hahaha

Yep, me too! Then, our upgrade time will go to 6 years too.

AeroEnvoy 03-09-2018 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2546623)
I doubt it, if a merger was imminent I doubt JO would have fired Fooley and all those other management people.

JO fired Paul Fooley?

Cloudsurfer83 03-09-2018 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2547450)
Yep, me too! Then, our upgrade time will go to 6 years too.

Oh man! I can't have any of that :eek: lol :D:D

NovemberBravo 03-09-2018 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by AeroEnvoy (Post 2547454)
JO fired Paul Fooley?

Yup he gone.

No Land 3 03-11-2018 09:58 AM

Merger? Foley was fired? Sounds interesting... So what are you all going to do when you’re at the bottom of Air Wisconsin or Skywests seniority lists?

calmwinds 03-11-2018 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2548453)
Merger? Foley was fired? Sounds interesting... So what are you all going to do when you’re at the bottom of Air Wisconsin or Skywests seniority lists?

Wouldn’t SkyWest have the same problems with us as they did with ExpressJet.... I doubt ALPA would agree to be at the bottom of any other regionals’ seniority list.

Santos Dumont 03-11-2018 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2548453)
Merger? Foley was fired? Sounds interesting... So what are you all going to do when you’re at the bottom of Air Wisconsin or Skywests seniority lists?

We will go to Kallita, of course.

calmwinds 03-11-2018 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Santos Dumont (Post 2548654)
We will go to Kallita, of course.

I heard that was who we were merging with......

deltajuliet 03-11-2018 07:27 PM

I heard it was a joint venture with Air Koryo.

No Land 3 03-12-2018 02:27 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2548748)
I heard that was who we were merging with......

Hmm, are you guys sure you can handle the giant increase in QOL? I mean, some Mesa guys can’t handle it and go crazy.

calmwinds 03-12-2018 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2548838)
Hmm, are you guys sure you can handle the giant increase in QOL? I mean, some Mesa guys can’t handle it and go crazy.

17 days awarded off this month. I think after January’s fail that Mesa is trying to straighten things out. Or, United is demanding Mesa straighten things out. Probably why Foley is gone.

No Land 3 03-12-2018 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2548851)
17 days awarded off this month. I think after January’s fail that Mesa is trying to straighten things out. Or, United is demanding Mesa straighten things out. Probably why Foley is gone.

Well, I hope you guys get the increase of QOL you all deserve.

FlyingMaryJane 03-12-2018 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2546306)
Rumor on the line is that there is a merger in the works. Anyone have any supporting details on it?

LOL Welcome to the regionals, where it is high school all over again!! I heard about 57 rumors in 10 years at regionals and 1 came true! LOL

Best advice I can give you is to roll your eyes and move along and do your job and keep those resumes updated so you can move on to better places.

PowderFinger 03-12-2018 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2548453)
Merger? Foley was fired? Sounds interesting... So what are you all going to do when you’re at the bottom of Air Wisconsin or Skywests seniority lists?

Word on the street is acquisition by Silver. :)

No Land 3 03-12-2018 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by PowderFinger (Post 2548908)
Word on the street is acquisition by Silver. :)

Florida bases are always a good thing

PowderFinger 03-12-2018 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2549114)
Florida bases are always a good thing

You are a more than half-full glass guy.

No Land 3 03-13-2018 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by PowderFinger (Post 2549316)
You are a more than half-full glass guy.

Not when I was at Mesa!

Cloudsurfer83 03-13-2018 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2548762)
I heard it was a joint venture with Air Koryo.

Dang! Can't believe you actually know that airline :D Not many people do I think lol Many props to you!

deltajuliet 03-14-2018 05:58 AM

Why thanks. It’s a good airline for a punchline.

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Originally Posted by PowderFinger (Post 2549316)
You are a more than half-full glass guy.


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2549550)
Not when I was at Mesa!

Once flew with a guy who was a Gulf War sniper. He’d seen things. But he said it was coming here that made him start drinking.

PowderFinger 03-14-2018 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2550281)
Why thanks. It’s a good airline for a punchline.

You might also enjoy my interview gouge for them: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/h...xperience.html



Once flew with a guy who was a Gulf War sniper. He’d seen things. But he said it was coming here that made him start drinking.

Just spit coffee all over the place ... Thanks for the laugh ... Great way to start the day. Time for a real drink now. :D

No Land 3 03-15-2018 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2550281)
Why thanks. It’s a good airline for a punchline.

You might also enjoy my interview gouge for them: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/h...xperience.html



Once flew with a guy who was a Gulf War sniper. He’d seen things. But he said it was coming here that made him start drinking.

He’s still at Mesa?

NoCheesePlates 03-15-2018 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2551044)
He’s still at Mesa?

He ain't going nowhere

PowderFinger 03-15-2018 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2550281)
Why thanks. It’s a good airline for a punchline.

You might also enjoy my interview gouge for them: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/h...xperience.html



Once flew with a guy who was a Gulf War sniper. He’d seen things. But he said it was coming here that made him start drinking.

If you see him again please thank him for his service - in both theaters.

Scrapdaddy 03-15-2018 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Santos Dumont (Post 2548654)
We will go to Kallita, of course.

I sure hope it’s not with Kalitta. That is worst case scenario in my eyes, and I’m sure most of our pilots.

20sx 03-16-2018 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2551757)
I sure hope it’s not with Kalitta. That is worst case scenario in my eyes, and I’m sure most of our pilots.

And cue No Land 3.....

NovemberBravo 03-16-2018 07:22 PM

I flew with a guy that went to Kalitta and came back to Mesa

No Land 3 03-17-2018 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2552511)
I flew with a guy that went to Kalitta and came back to Mesa

And I am sure he blamed everyone else but himself. There have been a couple of cases. Do as you see fit, but I must say, being trapped in the regional bubble can be quite blinding.
Worth noting, everyone that has made it out to the line has stayed. Our training is not easy, no hand holding.

HandyUghes 03-17-2018 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2552628)
And I am sure he blamed everyone else but himself. There have been a couple of cases. Do as you see fit, but I must say, being trapped in the regional bubble can be quite blinding.
Worth noting, everyone that has made it out to the line has stayed. Our training is not easy, no hand holding.

These stories area amazing. So many people have these elaborate explanations about how they got screwed over by Airline X. But know what I've never heard? "I failed training and now I'm here." The worst ones are those who move on from Mesa after struggling to make it to the line and then bash the company elsewhere, as though they'd be sitting in that seat without Mesa (this goes both ways. Others hire our failures too). Flew with a pilot one time who was openly grateful for the opportunity and honest about the fact that he'd probably not be here without the help Mesa game him. Very refreshing.

calmwinds 03-17-2018 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by HandyUghes (Post 2552661)
These stories area amazing. So many people have these elaborate explanations about how they got screwed over by Airline X. But know what I've never heard? "I failed training and now I'm here." The worst ones are those who move on from Mesa after struggling to make it to the line and then bash the company elsewhere, as though they'd be sitting in that seat without Mesa (this goes both ways. Others hire our failures too). Flew with a pilot one time who was openly grateful for the opportunity and honest about the fact that he'd probably not be here without the help Mesa game him. Very refreshing.

One of the pilots who used to regularly post here and moved on to Air Wisconsin (for the bonus, left seat and a base near his home) was very open that Mesa took a mid-50’s lawyer who wasn’t current, trained him, and made him a decent airline pilot. He wasn’t sure he would have gotten that opportunity from any other regional.

It worries me a bit that our Ejet training program is struggling. We used to have one of the best programs. Just watching to see if management will make the right changes. Judging on what one of the CA upgrades told me this month, the instructors teaching our Ejet classes now really don’t care.

HandyUghes 03-17-2018 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2552799)
Judging on what one of the CA upgrades told me this month, the instructors teaching our Ejet classes now really don’t care.

Why should they? There are some good ones, but Mesa doesn't incentivize instructing in a way that would motivate high potential candidates to do the job. The good ones deserve a medal for what they do, and the bad ones need to be sent back to the line. Mesa, in general, doesn't do anything to motivate its employees and now mostly just runs on the naive good will of a young-ish labor group. During the lost decade it was 'just happy to be employed', but that's over. I've known some smart people here that deserve far better. Unfortunately, just as major airline hiring starts picking up, the process becomes closer to random selection than anything we've ever seen, leaving a lot of great people on the sidelines in exchange for 4000-hour XJT FOs. Something interesting will probably happen at Mesa in the not-too-distant future, but not sure whether it's going to be good or bad for employees.

Scrapdaddy 03-17-2018 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by HandyUghes (Post 2552880)
Why should they? There are some good ones, but Mesa doesn't incentivize instructing in a way that would motivate high potential candidates to do the job. The good ones deserve a medal for what they do, and the bad ones need to be sent back to the line. Mesa, in general, doesn't do anything to motivate its employees and now mostly just runs on the naive good will of a young-ish labor group. During the lost decade it was 'just happy to be employed', but that's over. I've known some smart people here that deserve far better. Unfortunately, just as major airline hiring starts picking up, the process becomes closer to random selection than anything we've ever seen, leaving a lot of great people on the sidelines in exchange for 4000-hour XJT FOs. Something interesting will probably happen at Mesa in the not-too-distant future, but not sure whether it's going to be good or bad for employees.

Heard a rumor we’re buying Frontier and attempt a takeover like republic did. Just what I’ve been told. They didn’t sound too thrilled last week when we taxid behind them and I said “we’ll follow company”


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