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Flyboy68 03-05-2019 07:35 PM

Joining Mesa with >1200 Part 121?
 
Where could I be based, what equipment, and upgrade time to CA.

I've got >1200 hrs SIC Part 121 jet.

Thanks.

Cloudsurfer83 03-05-2019 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2775708)
Where could I be based, what equipment, and upgrade time to CA.

I've got >1200 hrs SIC Part 121 jet.

Thanks.



Well, any base as of right now besides IAD. The standing bid just posted doesn’t look like FOs or CAs are needed there. Currently, DFW and PHX are your best bets. Upgrade time is based on seniority. There were people who upgraded in a few months. May I ask where you’re coming from?


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Flyboy68 03-05-2019 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer83 (Post 2775713)
Well, any base as of right now besides IAD. The standing bid just posted doesn’t look like FOs or CAs are needed there. Currently, DFW and PHX are your best bets. Upgrade time is based on seniority. There were people who upgraded in a few months. May I ask where you’re coming from?


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I've been out of flying for a while, like 18 years. But I have my 1st class medical and getting current. 4700 TT, 2900 PIC, 1200 TSIC.

Flyboy68 03-05-2019 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer83 (Post 2775713)
Upgrade time is based on seniority. There were people who upgraded in a few months.

Not enough FO's with the hours to upgrade? This is a situation I'm looking for if I don't go for a direct entry CA spot with another carrier.

IAH is my number one choice for base as I'm in Louisiana and it's an easy commute.

NovemberBravo 03-06-2019 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2775719)
Not enough FO's with the hours to upgrade? This is a situation I'm looking for if I don't go for a direct entry CA spot with another carrier.

IAH is my number one choice for base as I'm in Louisiana and it's an easy commute.

A lot of our senior FOs are waiting until they can hold a line as Captain before upgrading. Reserve here is miserable ready reserve every day. If you live in base near the airport is the only way I would recommend doing it.

Flyboy68 03-06-2019 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2775877)
A lot of our senior FOs are waiting until they can hold a line as Captain before upgrading. Reserve here is miserable ready reserve every day. If you live in base near the airport is the only way I would recommend doing it.

Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.

Flyboy68 03-08-2019 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Cloudsurfer83 (Post 2775713)
Well, any base as of right now besides IAD. The standing bid just posted doesn’t look like FOs or CAs are needed there. Currently, DFW and PHX are your best bets. Upgrade time is based on seniority. There were people who upgraded in a few months. May I ask where you’re coming from?


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So with my times, would I be able to upgrade pretty quickly?

MikeGolf 03-08-2019 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2778127)
So with my times, would I be able to upgrade pretty quickly?

Yes as soon as you reach 1500 hrs...especially on the Ejet side

Flyboy68 03-08-2019 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by MikeGolf (Post 2778180)
Yes as soon as you reach 1500 hrs...especially on the Ejet side

1500 hrs of what? TT? FO? Part 121?

I've got >4700 TT, >1200 SIC jet Part 121.

No Land 3 03-08-2019 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2778233)
1500 hrs of what? TT? FO? Part 121?

I've got >4700 TT, >1200 SIC jet Part 121.

Should be 1000 121 time for regs. Company might have their own req.

Flyboy68 03-08-2019 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2778275)
Should be 1000 121 time for regs. Company might have their own req.

That's what I thought, but every carrier is different.

I think some base upgrades strictly on seniority, regardless if you meet the FAA minimums to upgrade to CA. I'm avoiding those carriers, like ExpressJet.

MacrossJet 03-08-2019 08:35 PM

Mesa 175's have all the bells and whistles? Or was Mesa cheap? Also, how many 175's does Mesa have?

Flyboy68 03-08-2019 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by MacrossJet (Post 2778314)
Mesa 175's have all the bells and whistles? Or was Mesa cheap? Also, how many 175's does Mesa have?

According to their profile on APC:

EMB175: 60

backtoregionals 03-09-2019 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by MacrossJet (Post 2778314)
Mesa 175's have all the bells and whistles? Or was Mesa cheap? Also, how many 175's does Mesa have?

We have auto brakes, but no D-ATIS, PDC, ACARS in range, or EFB power outlets. In a nutshell they are almost as cheap as can get. Mesa supposedly even asked EMB to leave 1 FMS out, but EMB basically laughed.

MikeGolf 03-09-2019 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2778233)
1500 hrs of what? TT? FO? Part 121?

I've got >4700 TT, >1200 SIC jet Part 121.

I made a mistake..meant to say 1000 and since you have the time you’ll be eligible for upgrade as soon as you finish IOE. Now being eligible and ready for upgrade are two different things.

Flyboy68 03-09-2019 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by backtoregionals (Post 2778373)
We have auto brakes, but no D-ATIS, PDC, ACARS in range, or EFB power outlets. In a nutshell they are almost as cheap as can get. Mesa supposedly even asked EMB to leave 1 FMS out, but EMB basically laughed.

So they're basically an F-150 XLT and not a Lariat. lol

Flyboy68 03-09-2019 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by MikeGolf (Post 2778435)
I made a mistake..meant to say 1000 and since you have the time you’ll be eligible for upgrade as soon as you finish IOE. Now being eligible and ready for upgrade are two different things.

Yeah, I agree.

18 years of dust takes a while to shake off.

backtoregionals 03-09-2019 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2778479)
So they're basically an F-150 XLT and not a Lariat. lol

No, they’re more of an XL without power windows or air conditioning.

Flyboy68 03-09-2019 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by backtoregionals (Post 2778853)
No, they’re more of an XL without power windows or air conditioning.

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V12Merlin 03-10-2019 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2778481)
Yeah, I agree.

18 years of dust takes a while to shake off.

Not really. I was out for 16 years and did it in a sub standard program.

Flyboy68 03-10-2019 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by V12Merlin (Post 2779007)
Not really. I was out for 16 years and did it in a sub standard program.

Well that gives me some hope/encouragement. Thanks.

flyguy727 03-13-2019 04:28 AM

[QUOTE=Flyboy68;2775716]I've been out of flying for a while, like 18 years. But I have my 1st class medical and getting current. 4700 TT, 2900 PIC, 1200 TSIC.[/QUOTE

Try Southern Airlines, Kalitta Charters or Kalitta Chatters II, Miami air or Swift Air. with your time, that will be best.

Flyboy68 03-13-2019 09:21 AM


Try Southern Airlines, Kalitta Charters or Kalitta Chatters II, Miami air or Swift Air. with your time, that will be best.
Doesn't Kalitta require some TPIC?

NovemberBravo 03-13-2019 10:22 AM

You’ve been out of the game a while I would probably do a regional. Plus you get to grab a signing bonus.

Flyboy68 03-13-2019 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by NovemberBravo (Post 2781511)
You’ve been out of the game a while I would probably do a regional. Plus you get to grab a signing bonus.

That's the plan bud.

Most likely doing a Near-DEC to get back into the groove. I want to avoid this.


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No Land 3 03-13-2019 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2781471)
Doesn't Kalitta require some TPIC?

There's a few different Kalitta's, but all in the family.
K4 flies the 747, 767, and 777.
K2 is charters.
K4 will not look at you without currency, and yes, they like TPIC.
K2 will not get you into K4.
Quite honestly, a regional is perfect for you to get currency, knock the rust off, and put you in an excellent position with your prior experience to move up.
Flying a 747 at K4, you might get three landings a month if you are lucky, K4 isn't the place to knock off rust.

Flyboy68 03-13-2019 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2781974)
There's a few different Kalitta's, but all in the family.
K4 flies the 747, 767, and 777.
K2 is charters.
K4 will not look at you without currency, and yes, they like TPIC.
K2 will not get you into K4.
Quite honestly, a regional is perfect for you to get currency, knock the rust off, and put you in an excellent position with your prior experience to move up.
Flying a 747 at K4, you might get three landings a month if you are lucky, K4 isn't the place to knock off rust.

That's the plan bud. I'm humble enough to realize that jumping into the CA seat after an 18 year layoff is not prudent.

Thanks.

Flyboy68 03-15-2019 09:23 AM

So, if I hired on at Mesa, I'd be an FO on the CRJ or the E175 if I choose IAH or DFW?

How long to upgrade in either (I already have >1200 SIC Part 121), and then where would I likely be based after upgrade?

How is seniority determined in class, age or SSN?

Thanks.

bnkangle 03-15-2019 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2782982)

How is seniority determined in class, age or SSN?
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Race, gender, LGBTQ+ status.

Flyboy68 03-15-2019 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by bnkangle (Post 2782995)
Race, gender, LGBTQ+ status.

Cis gendered, white male $hitlord. :D

pangolin 03-15-2019 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2782982)
So, if I hired on at Mesa, I'd be an FO on the CRJ or the E175 if I choose IAH or DFW?

How long to upgrade in either (I already have >1200 SIC Part 121), and then where would I likely be based after upgrade?

How is seniority determined in class, age or SSN?

Thanks.

Correct answer is age. Oldest has highest seniority within the class.

Flyboy68 03-15-2019 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2783024)
Correct answer is age. Oldest has highest seniority within the class.

Cool, definitely to my benefit. Thanks.

What about the other stuff? Base, aircraft, upgrade times?

pangolin 03-15-2019 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Flyboy68 (Post 2782982)
So, if I hired on at Mesa, I'd be an FO on the CRJ or the E175 if I choose IAH or DFW?

How long to upgrade in either (I already have >1200 SIC Part 121), and then where would I likely be based after upgrade?

How is seniority determined in class, age or SSN?

Thanks.

Yes you’ll start as FO.

CRJ FOs are all going to IAD for 3 months then you can bid out to DFW, PHX or SDF. The only ejet base is IAH.

You can bid for upgrade as soon as you meet the minimum requirements.

1000 121 and two captain recommendations. First class medical.

Flyboy68 03-15-2019 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 2783055)
Yes you’ll start as FO.

CRJ FOs are all going to IAD for 3 months then you can bid out to DFW, PHX or SDF. The only ejet base is IAH.

You can bid for upgrade as soon as you meet the minimum requirements.

1000 121 and two captain recommendations. First class medical.

Thanks. I answered your PM and have a couple of questions.


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