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SpiraMirabilis 06-02-2009 01:30 PM

Here's the PDF... oh wait, I can't attach files :p

What does Paul Foley do sent it. I heard rumors that our previous COO J. Bates had tried to stop furloughs and thats why he was immediately terminated. He was actually kind of a nice guy.

CRJPlt 06-02-2009 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis (Post 621496)
our previous COO J. Bates had tried to stop furloughs and thats why he was immediately terminated. He was actually kind of a nice guy.

I liked him too. He tried over a year and a half ago to move the contract through faster with more improvements for the pilots. All of which were shot down. He was really as close as it gets to a pilots man at that company.

Rumor has it, JB is now a taxi driver out in Phoenix...

i121ADX 06-02-2009 01:38 PM

Who the heck was the person saying to invest in Mesa a few months ago? How'd that work out for ya?

SpiraMirabilis 06-02-2009 01:40 PM

I trippled my money, worked pretty good. I wouldn't invest right now though.

Jetrecruiter 06-02-2009 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 621306)
I don't think so. The first 50-100 might have been.

We're dangerously short right now, CA on CA flying happening daily on each fleet, phone calls on days off (I got called all three days I was off this weekend). All of this is happening now, and there are 50ish leaving between now and the end of June.

I understand the dash is in dire straits right now, as they are barely going to have enough F/O's to cover the hard lines next month.

I think there is something big behind this decision. Losing delta would make sense, since we have about 250 pilots on the Freedom certificate.

Sad to say this but management knows something about the Delta Deal and in anticipation of what's about to come up. They are now trimming the fat sooner. It would be nice if they re-trained the freedom guys for the Dash8 since that side is running on extra lean.

johnso29 06-02-2009 02:14 PM

I think DAL won.

JetJock16 06-02-2009 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 621516)
I think DAL won.

Yep, DAL's holding all the cards so even if they lost the battle they will win the war.

Just a thought, do you all at Mesa talk about life after 2011. I'm not trying to bust your balls or **** on your Wheaties but it looks like Parker has no interest in retaining Mesa. I know that money talks but only for so long. What's the worst case for Mesa after 2011? Could Mesa shrink to the point where your JR CA's are threatened with being furloughed?

In a perfect world I would love to see Orenstein banned, Mesa to continue to operate at full capacity with your furloughs being called back. But we don’t live in a perfect world and I fear that the storm on Mesa’s horizon is getting closer seeing that it’s starting to rain (DAL + 9% of your list currently furloughed with another 15% on the way for a total of 385 pilots or 26% of your list).

Good luck, I truly mean that.

eaglefly 06-02-2009 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 621491)
The Mesa ship is sinking. If and when the Captain of this ship is asked to take responsibility remains to be seen.

Responsibility is unnecessary.

The captain has his motorized lifeboat ready to go. He's currently in the process of loading it with as much cash as it can hold. Just before the good ship Mesa slips beneath the surface, him and a select few will board that lifeboat and sputter away from the listing hull with earplugs on to drown out the terrified screams of the soon to be casualties flopping into the water among the circling grey fins.

It will make newspaper headlines for a while and then everyone else will forget and go back to their own worries. The captain and his brood will vacation comfortably in the tropics reading the articles from relaxing hammocks with cool drinks and the aroma of wonderful seafood wafting around the beach.

Ahhh.......to be rich and crooked.

What a great life it must be.

Smash312 06-02-2009 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 621528)
Yep, DAL's holding all the cards so even if they lost the battle they will win the war.

Just a thought, do you all at Mesa talk about life after 2011. I'm not trying to bust your balls or **** on your Wheaties but it looks like Parker has no interest in retaining Mesa. I know that money talks but only for so long. What's the worst case for Mesa after 2011? Could Mesa shrink to the point where your JR CA's are threatened with being furloughed?

In a perfect world I would love to see Orenstein banned, Mesa to continue to operate at full capacity with your furloughs being called back. But we don’t live in a perfect world and I fear that the storm on Mesa’s horizon is getting closer seeing that it’s starting to rain (DAL + 9% of your list currently furloughed with another 15% on the way for a total of 385 pilots or 26% of your list).

Good luck, I truly mean that.

You know, as much as I agree with you - there is just one very small (very small) detail that I kinda disagree with. And unfortunately "money talks". Period. I wish there could be a "but" in there....but...no. Money talks - and that's it. The end. It's pretty evident or else we (the industry.... and the wider world around us today) wouldn't be in the dire economic mess we're in today.

SpiraMirabilis 06-02-2009 03:29 PM

We're a lot more reliable now than we were last year but that is a factor that costs money. You can be cheap but if you cancel a bunch of flights youre not so cheap anymore. But we've got much better numbers this year, better than many of the other express carriers.


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