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Blackwing 02-02-2015 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1817478)
My biggest concern with going to Mesa is the pay, lowest per diem out there (is it $1.36 or $1.44?)and ridiculously high medical costs. In fact, I would say if you have a family and cannot get medical any other way, easily 40-50% of your first years monthly salary could go to that alone.

Or more. One of my classmates has his *entire check* going to health insurance for his family. I don't know how he does it. Same goes for management.

RV5M 02-02-2015 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1817478)
That makes more sense. If you are a commuter I could see this numbers. The FO I was talking to lives here and I assume flying 2 days at the time - much less per diem but home a lot more.



My biggest concern with going to Mesa is the pay, lowest per diem out there (is it $1.36 or $1.44?)and ridiculously high medical costs. In fact, I would say if you have a family and cannot get medical any other way, easily 40-50% of your first years monthly salary could go to that alone.


I pay $146/mo for a decent plan outside Mesa with a health savings account. 100% copay after deductible. Not that many people actually have Mesa's insurance, and those people who max it out with family plans on FO pay, well...its crappy, but there are better options.


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argentina21 02-02-2015 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by PiperPower (Post 1798617)
What are the terms?


Originally Posted by VanDriver208 (Post 1798287)
I've heard that the terms of this Delta contract are pretty ludicrous, and that's why no one wants to take the flying. Its easy to get excited when we hear about new flying, but we are starting to run into trouble staffing what we have. I heard the number of 200's for Delta could be as high as 40! Where are we going to find the pilots to operate them. If that's the case, I hope we turn down the deal. Delta should just continue to take back their regional flying putting mainline metal on it, so we can all move along with our careers... Just my .02.

Has anyone heard anything more about the rumored new 50-seat flying?

PilotCrusader 02-02-2015 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 1817507)
Or more. One of my classmates has his *entire check* going to health insurance for his family. I don't know how he does it. Same goes for management.

Yeah I spoke to a few people over there and heard bad things about the health insurance, but hey, it's Mesa! Fast upgrade but you gotta have the cojones to live through the first couple years.

MartinC08 02-02-2015 04:16 PM

Is it pretty reliable to use the international flight benefits on the UA side?....if there's 20+ seats being shown as open on a flight that's in 24 hrs, do you have a good chance of getting on?

Xdashdriver 02-02-2015 04:19 PM

If it says 20 seats open for a flight that leaves later the same day or *maybe* early the following day it is reasonably reliable. Any further out than that it is not very reliable. Many United flights will show wide open like that until sometime within 24 hours then show full or even oversold. Not sure what happens but it does that very frequently.

Navmode 02-02-2015 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by MartinC08 (Post 1817686)
Is it pretty reliable to use the international flight benefits on the UA side?....if there's 20+ seats being shown as open on a flight that's in 24 hrs, do you have a good chance of getting on?

Seriously, what kind of question is that? flight benefits give you the ability to list for flights.. If there are 20 seats open and 20 people buy seats, then they're gone. If the flight before cancels, they're gone. It's the same as if you were mainline ua, the only difference is priority.

Facebitten 02-02-2015 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Navmode (Post 1817708)
Seriously, what kind of question is that? flight benefits give you the ability to list for flights.. If there are 20 seats open and 20 people buy seats, then they're gone. If the flight before cancels, they're gone. It's the same as if you were mainline ua, the only difference is priority.

Knowing what you are like in person made this post that much more funny. Simply for the fact that i read the first line in your voice. lol. Also the fact that you probably will say that exact thing to me at some point while i ask senseless technical questions about the crj.

flapshalfspeed 02-02-2015 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by 24/48 (Post 1817415)
That's great experience, but the average CRJ/ERJ/Ejet Captain has a majority of their experience in Canada, lower 48, and Mexico. I'm quite certain that this will be the dominant population in new-hire classes should these carriers arrive on our shores. So after 6 months, even a year with 800 or so hours, is that person safe to upgrade?

Find me an insurance company or leasing agency who will insure/lease a 787 to an operator allowing PICs with 800 hours SIC time on type.

NAI's Captain requirements are much, much higher than those of any US regional.

Your counterpoint is invalid.

flapshalfspeed 02-02-2015 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by 24/48 (Post 1817415)
That's great experience, but the average CRJ/ERJ/Ejet Captain has a majority of their experience in Canada, lower 48, and Mexico. I'm quite certain that this will be the dominant population in new-hire classes should these carriers arrive on our shores. So after 6 months, even a year with 800 or so hours, is that person safe to upgrade?

Just to reinforce my statement that NAI's standards for PICs are much higher than US regionals' standards for PICs:

Minimum Requirements

  • JAA/EASA License
  • JAA/EASA medical Class one
  • 5000 hours total time
  • 2000 PIC hours on any Boeing aircraft
  • 500 hours on B777, B767 or B747-400
  • Current B777, B767/B757, B747-400 or B737 type rating
  • Under 61 years old at date of application
  • Non type rated B777/787 pilots need to provide a training cost bond for three years, decreasing by 1/3 each year


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