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10-18-2014 | 09:28 AM
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How many more are allowed by united's scope?
A lot of variables to that. UAL is starting to aggressively park the aging 50 seaters, and even some older CR7's, and the Q400's. The ratio for parking airplanes to deliveries is about 2.5:1. Additionally, as UAL gets more 70/76 jets they will bump in to more restrictive block hour limits for those airframes. I'll have to look in my contract but I believe the max 70/76 seat jet count is 325, 450 total outsourced airframes, and 68% block hour limit tied to mainline narrow-body block hours. Additionally, UAL has to add a new narrow-body airframe to mainline and I'm hearing CS300 rumors (I believe that has the same pay rate as the 737-700/A319). So to answer your question, our UPA allows for a fair amount more, however, UAL has to park a bunch of RJ's, and add to the mainline. This is why MAG, SKYW, and RAH are in good position because UAL is also in the process of reducing the number of carriers it outsources to.
Originally Posted by 20sx
How many more are allowed by united's scope?
A lot of variables to that. UAL is starting to aggressively park the aging 50 seaters, and even some older CR7's, and the Q400's. The ratio for parking airplanes to deliveries is about 2.5:1. Additionally, as UAL gets more 70/76 jets they will bump in to more restrictive block hour limits for those airframes. I'll have to look in my contract but I believe the max 70/76 seat jet count is 325, 450 total outsourced airframes, and 68% block hour limit tied to mainline narrow-body block hours. Additionally, UAL has to add a new narrow-body airframe to mainline and I'm hearing CS300 rumors (I believe that has the same pay rate as the 737-700/A319). So to answer your question, our UPA allows for a fair amount more, however, UAL has to park a bunch of RJ's, and add to the mainline. This is why MAG, SKYW, and RAH are in good position because UAL is also in the process of reducing the number of carriers it outsources to.
10-18-2014 | 11:52 AM
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Just perusing the United contract, here is what I saw:
Basic scope says no more than 130 76 seaters until 1/1/16 when it goes up to 153. If United adds new small narrowbodies to their own fleet then the max # of 76 seaters goes up to 223, but on a 1 76 seater to 1.25 small narrowbody ratio. Also, to go above 153 76 seaters, United needs to remove 50 seaters on a sliding ratio of 3ish 50 seaters to 1 76 seater up to 5ish 50 seaters per 76 seater, depending on the total 50 seat fleet count.
Basically, no more than 130 76 seaters right now until 1/1/16. SKW is getting 40, Mesa 30 and RAH 50. So it looks like we're sitting right at 120 when they all get online. The total number of 70+76 seaters is also limited and figures into the equation. Not sure how many 70s there are in the Express fleet right now. Didn't look into it.
It looks like the RAH 175s are slated for delivery from July 2015 into the summer of 2017, so by the time they are all operational, scope will have relaxed to the 153+ range.
Basic scope says no more than 130 76 seaters until 1/1/16 when it goes up to 153. If United adds new small narrowbodies to their own fleet then the max # of 76 seaters goes up to 223, but on a 1 76 seater to 1.25 small narrowbody ratio. Also, to go above 153 76 seaters, United needs to remove 50 seaters on a sliding ratio of 3ish 50 seaters to 1 76 seater up to 5ish 50 seaters per 76 seater, depending on the total 50 seat fleet count.
Basically, no more than 130 76 seaters right now until 1/1/16. SKW is getting 40, Mesa 30 and RAH 50. So it looks like we're sitting right at 120 when they all get online. The total number of 70+76 seaters is also limited and figures into the equation. Not sure how many 70s there are in the Express fleet right now. Didn't look into it.
It looks like the RAH 175s are slated for delivery from July 2015 into the summer of 2017, so by the time they are all operational, scope will have relaxed to the 153+ range.
10-19-2014 | 07:54 AM
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1-C-1-g Number of 76-Seat Aircraft
If the Company adds New Small Narrowbody aircraft to the Company Fleet, then on or after January 1, 2016, the number of permitted 76-Seat Aircraft may increase from 153 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 223 76-Seat Aircraft, and the number of permitted 76/70-Seat Aircraft may increase from 255 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 325 76/70-Seat Aircraft, except that once the number of 76/70-Seat Aircraft exceeds 255, then the number of 70-Seat Aircraft may not be more than 102. 76-Seat Aircraft (above 153 such Aircraft) may be added on a one 76- Seat Aircraft for each one and one quarter New Small Narrowbody Aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer).
Here's what Xdash is referring to. The way UAL is rebuilding UAX it certainly appears that those who provide 50 seat feed only will not be part of the network in next few years, my guess is 2017 which is when the UPA is amendable. Furthermore, the older CR7's will probably get parked in that timeframe. So SKYW's, RAH's, and GOJET's fleet will most likely stay neutral and possibly shrink. MAG has no place to go but up as they did all of their "chopping" a couple of years ago. By 2017 the UAX fleet will be at a max of 450 airframes versus the 600+ we see today.
If the Company adds New Small Narrowbody aircraft to the Company Fleet, then on or after January 1, 2016, the number of permitted 76-Seat Aircraft may increase from 153 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 223 76-Seat Aircraft, and the number of permitted 76/70-Seat Aircraft may increase from 255 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 325 76/70-Seat Aircraft, except that once the number of 76/70-Seat Aircraft exceeds 255, then the number of 70-Seat Aircraft may not be more than 102. 76-Seat Aircraft (above 153 such Aircraft) may be added on a one 76- Seat Aircraft for each one and one quarter New Small Narrowbody Aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer).
Here's what Xdash is referring to. The way UAL is rebuilding UAX it certainly appears that those who provide 50 seat feed only will not be part of the network in next few years, my guess is 2017 which is when the UPA is amendable. Furthermore, the older CR7's will probably get parked in that timeframe. So SKYW's, RAH's, and GOJET's fleet will most likely stay neutral and possibly shrink. MAG has no place to go but up as they did all of their "chopping" a couple of years ago. By 2017 the UAX fleet will be at a max of 450 airframes versus the 600+ we see today.
10-19-2014 | 08:40 AM
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