[QUOTE=CSD2000;1644030]The 175's have been certified, weeks ago.

I think 70 days of initial is plenty of time to see if they blink their eyes too fast under pressure.

Welcome to APC! Many a disgruntled regional pilot have trolled through these forums taking any below the belt shot they can get. I'm all but convinced that some folks here live and breathe to talk sh*t about other regionals, and right now Mesa is the primary target for such tomfoolery.

What? You can use non-verbal communication to judge someone's character? Might be time for a self evaluation.

So when united hires 737/a320 FOs, do you think they fly empty airplanes around until they get good? What planet do you live on?

You dont understand the argument. One of the two pilots should always be someone with some basic time flying the airplane. The check airmen are ones getting this training in the actual airplane. That way while they teach new CPs from the right seat its not new for both with folks in the back. This is not an FO argument, as the captains should have flown and logged several trips before the FOs get off IOE to avoid green on green. And yes, when UA gets a new type they fly it outside the sim part 91 too.

Finally, someone intelligent enough to understand. I see Mesa's hiring requirements are weeding out the 'smart' ones. lol

I think what he was saying is that Skywest is flying around empty planes with Captain/Captain pairs. There's a captain in the left seat and a check airman in the right seat. They're basically doing captain IOE on empty flights before passenger service starts. The idea is that once passenger service starts there will never be a situation where a captain and an FO who are both fresh off IOE will have to fly passengers. At least one person in the cockpit will have 75+ hours of experience even on the first day of service.

Part of the reason they're doing it is probably also to work out any kinks in the plane maintenance since these planes are fresh off of the assembly line. They probably want to attempt to fly one 8-10 flights per day a few times to make sure that they're not going to all break down the first day of service.

Obviously it's not completely required but I'm not sure why people are arguing that it's a bad idea. They're trying to make sure things run as smoothly as possible when passenger service starts.

LOL

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Ok bud, personality and character are two different things. Body language is a very good tool when evaluating someone. A conversation is an exchange of words that produces a response from each individual or group. This is how parents know when their children are lying. It's all about the response.

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There is no shortage of jackasses on this site.

It's a wide held belief that body language represents 55% of how we perceive what someone is conveying. Words only account for 7% together with the tone accounts for 45%. So yes, non-verbal communication is indeed used when judging someone.

This is uncalled for. Have you met the pilot in question? I have, and he's not at all a "roid pumping reckless retard". He's a pretty nice guy, in fact. And he doesn't make hiring decisions alone. Given your post history, I'd much rather do a 4-day with him than you.

It's everywhere. When I was at Flex, while climbing out on AP the CA (PF) wanted to show me (PM) semi-nude photos of him and his wife at a swinger's resort. Meanwhile the airspeed was decaying in vertical speed mode. 'Ummmm. Airspeed. Airspeed. Airspeed!"

The pilot population is a microcosm of society - everything seen in the general population (depression, alcoholism, criminal behavior, etc.) occurs within this community; albeit to a lesser degree.

You are trying to associate creepy pilots being hired due to our close to non existent screening practice? You should not quote an FO that thinks captains are creepy and associate it with today's hiring standards. When I was hired 9 years ago, there was MUCH more than a phone interview. Same goes with a 100% of the other captains on property.

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Uhh so I guess Mesa must have found out that some SkyWest pilots on APC thought that Mesa wasn't doing enough practice flying of the 175s and changed their mind.

Fact is they HAVE been doing flights and will continue to do so. Just because some FO saw the planes parked a certain way on the ramp doesn't mean jack. But whatever it takes to spread negative rumors about Mesa. I've heard stories, but MAN they really DO teach the SkyWest pilots to hate Mesa, don't they!

Nope but there are A LOT of former Mesa guys at SkyWest.

Banditopilot, check your PMs.

You don't see SkyWest recruiters in the Mesa parking lot poaching interviewees...O wait that's right all they do is phone interviews. GMAFB

The shiniest!!!!

Do you know why so many SkyWest pilots hate Mesa?
There are A LOT of LAMA guys at SkyWest, and they are always reminding us of how much better life is at OO vs Mesa. I've heard many of horror stories of Mesa and JO. I would never ever think of going there no matter how quick the upgrades are.

Interesting, this thread was started by someone excited to come and work with Mesa and it degrades into chaos.

I'm searching for reference on this for more info...anyone? (nevermind...found it)

BTW...I love how you refer to him as "JO!" I wonder if he got beat up in school?

IMO skywest and the other "good" regionals will end up being the Achilles heel of this sector of the industry. As the applicant pool for the regionals dries up, well yeah the bottom feeders will be the first to go. And their pilots won't even hesitate about moving on and being the low man on the food chain at a major (totally worth it, because lets be honest they don't have much to lose to begin with).

The "good" regionals have too many lifers who cling to their weekends off and don't want to start over at a much better major carrier. So yeah Skywest guys may poke fun at everyone else for now...but when the regionals can't staff and face their demise, these guys will be the ones fighting to keep the regionals around so they can keep their weekends off and live on the west coast for the rest of their lives. Give yourselves a big pat on the back for being so awesome.

Those of us at the "bad" regionals could not care less about the regionals, because we don't have much to lose.

I would guess it's much like the guy driving the 15 year old beater car making fun of the guy who drives the 20 year old beater car....but secretly hating him because the guy with the 20 year old car has a hotter girlfriend.

Mesa clearly has much nicer equipment than Skywest (who still have turboprops and 50 seaters) and you know the girls always go after the guys with the larger equipment. ;-)

I don't know anything about Mesa, however everyone (except you) that posts about it or talks about it, never has anything good to say about it. Everyone I've met at Skywest that used to work there always makes fun of Mesa and how miserable and sad a place it is. I don't have anything other than that to go on. You truely are the first person I've seen defend the place. Again, I know nothing about the place.

Nicer equipment? lol Are you being sarcastic or trolling? I really don't know. What I do know is that Skywest has CRJ200's, 700's and 900's, ERJ175's and yes the Bro. They still have the Bro because it apparently makes money.

A bit sarcastic yes....but clearly the fact that Mesa has desirable domiciles and only larger aircraft is a draw for recruitment.

Oh yes you will. When JO overpromises and underdelivers again, he'll lose these contracts just as fast as he got them, then when you get downgraded you'll be on FO pay which is horrible. I make more at TSA on a 145 for year 2 than 4 year FOs at Mesa make flying the 170.

If you can't live on the FO pay at any company don't go there because when the worm turns and downgrades begin you're stuck.

What difference does it make that Mesa has "only larger aircraft", when they pay less than others do on the smaller aircraft?:confused:

Job security.

The majors, who outsource flying to the regionals, aren't huge fans of 50 seat aircraft.

http://www.minnpost.com/business/201...cramped-cabins

Funny you bring up job security.... pretty sure you have no room to talk when Mesa doesn't even own their 175's. United will take them away just as fast as they were awarded.

Having flown for both, I'll take my chances with Skywest... Miss the crews at Mesa but in no way do I miss that sh**hole of a company! I was on the fast track for upgrade and then was furloughed... I hope no one is going there for a supposed upgrade and if you are good luck!

You guys are seriously arguing about this? Who makes more money?

And...As if anyone here can predict upgrades.

What about paystubs? I'm sure the girl who likes "bigger equipment" would be appreciative not having to pay for every date...

Besides, last I checked Skywest has all the same equipment as Mesa.

As for domiciles, yeah... OO has Mesa beat.

Like I said, the difference between a 20 year old car and a 15 year old car...they're both as worthless...that's the analogy.

True, but Mesa doesn't have all the same equipment as Skywest! ;-)

Mesa?s Ornstein Expresses ?Disgust? with Washington | Aviation International News
Even with this ^, MAG is still attracting pilots. The power of SJS is strong! Why would you go work for someone who actively and openly works against you?

I think you should post that link in the thread titled "Mesa CEO blames Captains, Union." I'm sure no one there has read that article yet.