Heading to Mesa
 

I got a July class date for Crj 900. Leaving the corp world for a schedule. Looking forward to the training. Any advice for that first year ? I hope to base out of ORD.

Not trying to flame but why Mesa? Is it because they are growing? Im trying to piece together why people are flocking there even with their below average pay rates.

How was the interview?

I can't for the life of me understand why you all act the way you do to people you don't even know especially when I know you wouldn't act the same face to face with ANYONE.

To the OP: Try to find a Mesa guy and PM him.

Richards.....

I have a friend that has been there for 8 years. He loves it there. The people there seem real nice. Yes. I do like the growth. I have been doing the 24/7 thing for many years. You who replied work for Mesa?

why be a tough guy in person and risk getting your butt kicked, when you can do it from the safety mom's internet? :D;)

Congrats to the the OP!

Thanks. I am excited. The jets look like a blast to
Fly.

All this Mesa bashing baffles me. Actually, it quite honestly makes me sick.

I am treated like a human being here which I was not at RAH.

I make more money here than RAH.

We have GREAT people in the training dept. We have two GREAT Chief Pilots.

I have only been here a year and I hold an 85 hour, 15 day off line.

I am looking at a fall upgrade.

So first year pay is two dollars less than you Skywest folks?

The difference is, if you get in now at Mesa, you will never see 3rd year FO pay, heck you may never see 2nd year FO pay.

Good grief.

You're a liar. Mesa Airlines | AirlinePilotCentral.com

It's great to hear MESA has improved its working conditions, but you've been around long enough to know the history of that place and the statements and actions of Ornstein. He openly despises pilots--that means you. They also made it their goal to be the bottom of the bottom feeders.

You know that we don't operate in a vacuum. When the majors play this musical chairs game with whipsaw we ALL suffer. You are being treated well NOW, because it serves their purpose and they are a renewed airline with low labor costs. Maybe you hit it right, get in, GTFO, don't care about who you fly for. Or maybe MESA will just keep growing as those mainline jobs disappear to be transformed into poorly paid regional jobs.

Meanwhile a great group of guys who have spent most of their careers at Eagle (many due to furlough from AA) are about to be hosed because they refused to set the bar any lower. This also goes for all the other regional pilots who said No Mas!.

I'm being told that Mesa's 175s are sitting in PHX right now, and parked in a way that would make you believe they are being stored. Shouldn't they be out doing proving runs? Training? 30 days to go, JO. Tick...tick...tick

Let's be real here... United's 175's that they are so graciously allowing Mesa to operate.

And let's not forget JO's most recent comments (yesterday) blaming greedy unions and captains for such low pay.

Proving runs are done. The initial cadre is trained already, so why take the airplanes out for no reason?

Training flights.... but we all know JO is too cheap for that.

Who came up with this term "whipsaw" anyway? The Flextrek Whipsnake - YouTube <-this is all I think of when people say that.

Not the I'm a company cheerleader, but that's pointless and wasteful. Do we take out 900s for no reason when they're not being used to consolidate new FO's quicker, or do some approaches for fun? No one does that.

SkyWest flew their's all over the place, proving run after proving run. Training flight after training flight. I guess one airline does it right, and another airlines does it as cheaply as possible.

Actually SkyWest did... they want to get their pilots some hours in the airplane. You don't just start flying revenue service without having flown the airplane.... that just seems reckless.

Heading to Mesa
 

And Skywest is starting revenue service sooner than Mesa, but both had their first planes delivered at the same time. They are simply on a different schedule. Why burn gas if you don't have to?

I'm glad to hear that things have improved there from what they were years ago. That being said the thing that would still turn me off to Mesa is the fact that they're cold calling people for classes that applied 10 years ago, and they're hiring people with only phone interviews. Those are the people I would have to sit in the cockpit with on a 4 day and they're just being hired because they have an ATP and a pulse. I imagine in the future you'll be forced to fly with some real pieces of work due to that practice.

Not arguing for their practices, but you fly with real pieces of work no matter what the hiring practices of a company are.

Some places have more than others. In 2.5 years at my current regional I've only flown with 1 captain that I could never stand to fly with again, and one more that I'd prefer not to fly with but could put up with. I feel like that's not too bad for 2.5 years. I think different airlines have different ratios of good:bad. I imagine hiring with phone interviews will lead to a bigger amount of the bad ones that couldn't get hired anywhere else.

SkyWest first delivery: March 25, 2014

Mesa first delivery: April 10, 2014

Two week difference on delivery, four week difference on start date. But sure, SkyWest wasted more money doing it. Because it's worth doing right, is it not?

Your high school accounting teacher would be so proud of that philosophy...

"Since we have them lets go fly them around and waste money!"

Are you kidding me?

Please point out in my statements where I have said anything negative about Eagle or happy that we may or may not get AAG 175's. I would love them to go to Eagle over us.

We have pay rates for them in our contract. They're have the ability to show up on property here whether you or I like it.

Please don't construed my points.

So its a waste of money to ensure your pilots are properly trained before flying around paying passengers?

I caution you that since you have clearly stated who this person is, by name, what his current title at Mesa Airlines, INC. is, and by using such statements as "roid pumping reckless retard pilot." This is borderline libel and could be grounds for a defamation lawsuit.
I have seen judges allow internet records to be subpoenaed many times. Just something to keep in mind.

LOL funniest thing I have read all day

There are table top and proving runs required by the FAA when a new aircraft comes on a certificate. Those are done.

Why would you go take a 30 million dollar empty jet around the pattern for no reason?

But I guess I'm they same guy that asks people all the time why you would go take out 100k in loans to come fly a jet for 22k a year.

I'm confused...

Who cares about ANY of this?... Embraer super e jets. Mesa this mesa that! Blahblahblah.. You guys blow my mind. Every mesa pilot read the freakin pay scale when they took the job. They knew they'd be in poverty for a while. That's their choice to make! I personally think prior121 posts way too much to defend his company, but at the same time he gives off this "I don't give a shh-- about you trash talkers"- vibe.. I like it.

Beers on me bro.

Ps ALT'd my deadhead from ORD the other day and took mesa home. Crew was pretty nice and chatted before I got on. Hope to do it again sometime

And if 80% is the passing score on your ATP, then why they hell should you get more than 80% of it correct? You only have to land an aircraft correctly 4 out of 5 times, right? Bare minimum.

IMO, the biggest thing with airlines that have very weak screening processes are that you will probably be flying with some interesting characters that would make a 4 day almost unbearable. I quote a 2 year Mesa FO saying that a lot of the CAs are very "creepy".
There should be some sort of measure in place to get quality people.

That's my point. You can make your mouth say anything, but reading a persons body language speaks volumes. Better to catch them before you put them out on line. Scary stuff.

What do current Mesa pilots think of this practice?

I never said that you stated anything negative about Eagle. My response is an effort to answer your original musing as to why people bash MESA.

You stated: "All this Mesa bashing baffles me"

[QUOTE=NVUS;1643827]I'm being told that Mesa's 175s are sitting in PHX right now, and parked in a way that would make you believe they are being stored. Shouldn't they be out doing proving runs? Training? 30 days to go, JO. Tick...tick...tick[/

Certified 7 weeks ahead of schedule so not a lot to do now.

Skywest had trouble getting 900's on their certificate as well. I'm sure if they put in enough hours they'll get the 175's done.

Thanks for the pm's on Mesa. Some of you folks that posted here sure argue a lot..lol

So Skywest makes everyone from both seats fly the aircraft empty before they feel it's safe to put Pax in the back? We use IOE for that.