Mesa vs GoJet
 

No, this is not an attempt at some sort of flame war.
I know both these get beat down on here, but if you had to choose between the 2, which one?
(and please let's avoid "apply somewhere else" type of responses.. :)

Go somewhere else...had to do it. Lol

Mesa vs GoJet
 

Pretty easy right now. Mesa has growth. Go there.

That growth is a tumor.

Oh! I like this game!

Would you rather get your hand stuck in a wood chipper - OR - would you rather have an eyeball scooped out with a spoon?

Mesa has a lingering reputation from stories told by 1900 drivers on the Air Midwest certificate--that operation and management team/culture withered away a very long time ago.

Myself and several other people who have recently come back to the 121 world/USA/etc. from other carriers/countries have made multiple posts about how the *current* Mesa is a decent place to work compared to our previous exposures to the 121 RJ world.

Like any regional, I'll state the caveat that you simply shouldn't do this job unless you: a) are single, b) have your finances in order, and/or c) have some form of spouse/parental/outside support for the first 1-2 years (or indefinitely, in the event of flagging growth or an economic downturn).

Mesa's current group of chief pilots are top notch stand-up guys who will go to bat for you unless you're really, truly screwing up/lying to them.

Mesa's training department is a training department--not a checking/politics/evaluation department. Compared to Republic, Endeavor, Eagle, and TSA (in recent history at least), you're not going to get a pink-slip or an "unscheduled" LPC because someone didn't like what you posted on a message board during contract negotiations.

Mesa's growth is solid right now, but like any regional nothing is guaranteed. You'll probably have a line in IAD a month or two out of training, there will be a major shakeup with ORD planes possibly going to IAD in September, and who knows what will happen with CLT/PHX/LAX/DFW flying with the AA merger. The bottom line is we're getting more planes, and staffing them on time. I'd say try to get an IAH/E175 class if you can b/c there will be more relative growth there (and it has autothrottles/trackpads/you can stand up in it without slouching if you're over 6'0").

At minimum, we have no 50 seaters. I understand a lot of Envoy/XJet/TransStates people have fought long and hard to hold the line on pay and benefits, but the 800 pound gorilla in the room is the aging fleet of 50-seaters in the US 121 system--there's no amount of solidarity or rabble rousing that will change the simple math--the more money you're making, and the more 50-seaters your company flies, the less job security you have as a new hire.

That last sentence may tick a lot of people off, but if you're looking for your first 121 job, it's real talk you need to hear.

What about PSA?

Go to whichever one has the least amount of people with the likes of this guys attitude. These people will try to bring you down to their level of misery.

Based on growth and health, as well as upgrade time, Mesa. Domicile may affect your decision, though.

It's more like a symbiotic gut bacterium.

A tumor kills the organism within which it develops; a symbiote assists its host in a mutually beneficial relationship, ehancing the chances of survival for both partners.

Regionals provide frequency and cheap feed for major carriers. Unless you can pull off a regulatory hail-mary and require all flying done under a specific brand to be operated by the same certificate holder who markets and tickets the flight, regionals will continue to be the sharecropping peasants on your lordly fiefdom, yielding revenue for the King/shareholders at court.

Prostate Specific Antigen?

On that "regionals are tumors" theme:

"The PSA test measures the blood level of PSA, a protein that is produced by the prostate gland. The higher a man’s PSA level, the more likely it is that he has prostate cancer. However, there are additional reasons for having an elevated PSA level, and some men who have prostate cancer do not have elevated PSA."

Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA) Test - National Cancer Institute

There will always be regionals willing to do it cheaper, and people that can't get hired anywhere else willing to do the flying. Nothing will change.

...and people leaving "better" regionals like Envoy and XJet/ASA for Mesa because they see the way the wind is blowing.

More like they can't get hired at CPZ.

flapshalfspeed,

I thought Mesa kept a 50-seater around just so they could pay all the pilots the 50-seat rate during vacations and training.

flapshalfspeed pm me

Mesa guys bagging on PSA, I have now officially seen it all.

I'm going with the majority on this one. The future at G7 is rather ambiguous right now. We're already understaffed, we're loosing a lot of both captains and FO's leaving and we're not doing a thing to attract new hires.

Additionally we're still in negotiations over a new contract so expect mistakes to be made. If you live in one of our bases including DEN (just announced) G7 may be a good bet but otherwise I'd look elsewhere for now.

Go to the one where you can live in base. Both sound pretty bad for various reasons.

One person can't really tell another who is better. It has too many variables that change for each person. Consider the bases, pay, type, rsv rules, min days off, 2nd yr pay, contract, and all that. Make the decision based on what fits your personal situation best

I second the avove, except for type. Who gives a ****** what u are flying
Treat it like a fat chick. Get on, get in, get out!!!!!!

They're not even in the same solar system....

Mesa by a long shot!

The only reason I mentioned it is that personally I am scared of getting stuck somewhere with airplanes that the big bosses want to park. Whether that is a well founded concern or gibberish remains to be seen... but other than that, like 175 vs CRJ 7? or Boeing vs Bus? Who cares!:D

Not judging. Just get on and get off. Fat or hot. Its al the same when its over....... slap those thighs and ride the waves.

Thx. I've heard from a couple GoJet guys via PM.. are there any Mesa guys who could PM me with the nitty-gritty inside scoop?

AIDS VS. Cancer..... They both suck!

Where should I look if I only want crabs?

Saint Louis?

I thought I had a case of crabs one time... turned out I only had 23:D

Serious talk.

Why gojet or Mesa?

Do you have DUI's, 3+ ck ride busts, 709's, bad credit, wrecked an airplane, a felony conviction, 121 training failure, or no college?

Just asking because everywhere is hiring right now.

Why would you shoot for the bottom of the barrel right off the bat?

CPZ, Horizon, Whisky, SKW are all trying to fill classes.

You need to ask the question to yourself. Why Mesa? Didn't your work for Mesa? The talk is that you couldn't make it through IOE after 80 hours. The FAA mins are 25 hours and the average is 40-50 with no jet experience. The most important question is, what are you doing flying for a 121 carrier? You have no business being in airplane. I am surprised that a company like SkyWest would hire something like you. If I were you, I would quit flying all together and find something that would be less dangerous to yourself and others. Did someone put a gun to your head to go to Mesa? The fact that you couldn't make it through IOE is your own damn fault. You can't blame Mesa nor the check airman for your stupidity.

As the saying goes, "Some birds were not meant to fly".


God Bless

Whoa broseph. I know things are rough over there, no need for the hostility and storytelling.

Be well. Maybe you shoud talk to someone.

I'm new here so I'm not familiar with your past that has been alluded too.... PM me if you wish.

I'm not saying I'm shooting for the bottom of the barrel. I'm applying numerous places, but wanted to know if only Mesa and GoJet come a calling, which would be best?
Just because CPZ and SKW are hiring doesn't mean I'm a shoo-in. I have no DUI, but you're still not guaranteed anything.

PM me if you'd prefer, but if you didn't make it through IOE, is the training department deficient? Has that happened to others?

Do yourself a favor and go to a wholly owned.

Reasons for Mesa:

The good.....growing, not reducing. Good training department, no check airmen that are bad. East coast base to soon to be West coast base. With the amount of upgrades, you'll be able to hold out West 6-9 months from starting. Laid back crews for the most part, but I'm in IAD, so the others could be different. Hiring for the emb175, which if you want to go overseas is a great type rating to have. I fly the CRJ700 most of the time, which I enjoy.

The bad.....low pay. Nickel and dime us on other stuff that should have no cost. Hotels are usually by the airport. Some are bad, others are great. Schedules have gotten better, but that might depend where you are based. IAD schedules have a decent amount of days off, not sure about the other bases, but I don't think they are as good. We have ready reserve, some others don't.

This help any?

Can you divulge why someone should consider wholly owned instead the others? Thanks!

He believes the wholly owned regionals like Endeavor and Envoy will become the pets of their respective major, instead of the abused red-headed step-children they get treated like currently.

yes, very much - thanks!

Haha I've noticed that every time someone points out that you washed out of Mesa training you respond with "whoa broseph..." That is just too cute.

The IOE washout explains so many things. The funny thing is you imply that people only go to Mesa because of their lack of abilities, yet that's the very thing that apparently kept you out. But I'm glad you got a second chance elsewhere so you can still feel like you're a better pilot than everyone at Mesa. Maybe you washed out because you were just too good and the check airmen were threatened by your SKW pilot caliber skills. Ironoooooony.

At least you've obviously taken it all in stride and have been able to move on with your life... Glad it's not haunting you and you at least are man enough to not blame others for your failures and don't hold a grudge. Good job, brosephine.