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Old 02-17-2017, 07:37 AM   #1
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Hello all,

For those of you who are still in the guard/reserves and at an airline, I have a question about schedules.

Assuming you are willing to work a bit more: is it possible to front load your monthly schedule at an airline, and then use your remaining ~15ish days off to work at your unit without taking mil leave? For instance, fly all your airline trips in the first half of the month and then work at your unit the second half? Appreciate any insight!
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Hello all,

For those of you who are still in the guard/reserves and at an airline, I have a question about schedules.

Assuming you are willing to work a bit more: is it possible to front load your monthly schedule at an airline, and then use your remaining ~15ish days off to work at your unit without taking mil leave? For instance, fly all your airline trips in the first half of the month and then work at your unit the second half? Appreciate any insight!
Based on my regional experience, Id say this would likely be difficult. Reserve is typically 5 on, 3 off, and even once you get a line you can expect largely weekends. Even with a little seniority, at least at my airline, I've rarely seen schedules that would accommodate that. I try to squeeze in my mil flying on the occasional 5-6 days off blocks. I suppose you could try to work a bunch of trades and swaps, but it would still be difficult. Otherwise, mil leave it is... again, this is based on my experience and nothing else.
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Hello all,

For those of you who are still in the guard/reserves and at an airline, I have a question about schedules.

Assuming you are willing to work a bit more: is it possible to front load your monthly schedule at an airline, and then use your remaining ~15ish days off to work at your unit without taking mil leave? For instance, fly all your airline trips in the first half of the month and then work at your unit the second half? Appreciate any insight!
"a bit more" hmmmm

Yes it is possible depending on your seniority and your company's bidding system and rules. But why work that hard? There's a reason why we have flying time maximums in the 7/30/90/365 and doing this to yourself would not be safe.

Are you trying to maximize the paycheck or some other scheme?
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:29 AM   #4
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C130driver, trust me, once you get an airline job and start earning second year pay, you will want to work at your Reserve/Guard unit as little as possible. You will quickly realize that your airline job is fantastic, efficient, and fun - flying for the military is so full of BS and queep that you will want to stiff-arm it every month.

I quit my AF Reserve flying job for a non-flying, 2 day a month job, several years ago. I could not be happier. I know numerous dudes who have left the active-duty in the past few years. They flew for the Reserves less that two years and found non-flying jobs (working as little as possible). They got sick of the Reserve flying clown show and want to spend as little time as possible working for Big Blue.

It will happen to you too.
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Depends. Although it was a pay hit, flying fighters in an FTU training new IPs and nearly MR wingman had its own satisfactions. If I was bag dragging actoss the Pacific dealing with crappy base ops issues, I might go "why am I here?" Debriefing a 4 v or arguing ACM at the bar still had its fun moments. However, I did retire before the last administration, so my queep level while painful didnt include the latest round of PC bull****.
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Hello all,

For those of you who are still in the guard/reserves and at an airline, I have a question about schedules.

Assuming you are willing to work a bit more: is it possible to front load your monthly schedule at an airline, and then use your remaining ~15ish days off to work at your unit without taking mil leave? For instance, fly all your airline trips in the first half of the month and then work at your unit the second half? Appreciate any insight!

It would depend on the airline. The problem is flight duty and block time limits. If the airline needs you to actually fly 85 hours/month, then 117 limits would prevent you from cramming all of that into 2 weeks. If you're on reserve for that kind of flying, same deal...you're no use to them if you're on call but illegal due to lack of days off. This would probably be typical of regional/domestic NB flying.

If the nature of the job involves more soft time, ie duty/trip rigs than actual flying it might be possible to front load it all. This might be possible with widebody/international.

As others have said, just take the time off from the airline, don't kill yourself. You adjust the balance between airline and reserves over time as suits you.
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