Advice for potential Navy
#21
+1 billion.
I got to fly point nose jets off boats, and I miss it every day. With the current state of things today however, I would seriously think about the Coast Guard.
No bad duty stations and all your flying is real world.
This is not an absolute but there is some truth to it. Some guys with prior flight time sail through Primary, guy in my class broke the NSS scoring system his grades were so high. Others completely struggle, some fail out. It's 100% attitude of the individual.
I got to fly point nose jets off boats, and I miss it every day. With the current state of things today however, I would seriously think about the Coast Guard.
No bad duty stations and all your flying is real world.
This is not an absolute but there is some truth to it. Some guys with prior flight time sail through Primary, guy in my class broke the NSS scoring system his grades were so high. Others completely struggle, some fail out. It's 100% attitude of the individual.
#23
What do you want to fly? What attracts you to the military and to naval aviation? The answers to those questions are pretty important. A lot of people here will give you answers based on quality of life and getting to the airlines. I joined the Marines because I wanted to fly jets and blow stuff up. I did that, and now I'm starting at a major airline and flying something with a high QOL in the reserves, and I'm pretty happy with how things have worked out so far.
Ask yourself what you want to do.
Then make that your singular focused goal. Chase that goal with every bit of energy you have.
You sound like you are young and looking for adventure.
I was similar to you. My goal was to fly off carriers and blow **** up. I did that in spades.
Chase your dreams my friend. You are only young once, grab life by the balls and chase your dreams...anything less is rubbish and a life of regrets.
"Obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes off your goal".
#26
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NAE is in a perilous state right now. Airplanes that were supposed to last 20+ years at a Cold War OPTEMPO are being worn out in half that. Squadrons that have a ramp full of broken/canabalized airplanes just to put a handful in the air. Squadrons that exist on paper only because a true decommissioning requires an act of Congress. Boats in the yards for 2-3 times what was forecast. On and on and on.
15 years of war has completely worn out the fleet with no real affordable future for replacement. Blocks of F-35 orders have been shifted to superhornets because they're cheaper. Marine Corp TACAIR is in even worse shape. The sunset of the legacy Hornet fleet has been moved forward because they're just worn out.
Can't speak to the rotary or maritime piece, but the other shoe has dropped on the Hornet community and its ugly. It's going to take a lot of years and a lot of money to repair/replace.
Plus, who wouldn't want to live in San Diego/San Fran/Tampa/Hawaii/Alaska etc and fly helos in real world ops? Those guys don't have to do a year of work ups and then another year of deployment... over and over and over again.
Don't get me wrong, I would go back and do it all again... but if I knew then what I know now, it would be a REALLY hard choice.
Put it this way, unless you know, gouge/rumor be damned that your place is in a grey jet/helo flying off ships at sea, if you need to be convinced, then it's probably not for you and you have your answer. If you're not willing to pay any price, suffer any pain, do any job required of you, endure any injucstice to one day take that cat shot on a glorious day at sea.... it's probably not the place for you.
15 years of war has completely worn out the fleet with no real affordable future for replacement. Blocks of F-35 orders have been shifted to superhornets because they're cheaper. Marine Corp TACAIR is in even worse shape. The sunset of the legacy Hornet fleet has been moved forward because they're just worn out.
Can't speak to the rotary or maritime piece, but the other shoe has dropped on the Hornet community and its ugly. It's going to take a lot of years and a lot of money to repair/replace.
Plus, who wouldn't want to live in San Diego/San Fran/Tampa/Hawaii/Alaska etc and fly helos in real world ops? Those guys don't have to do a year of work ups and then another year of deployment... over and over and over again.
Don't get me wrong, I would go back and do it all again... but if I knew then what I know now, it would be a REALLY hard choice.
Put it this way, unless you know, gouge/rumor be damned that your place is in a grey jet/helo flying off ships at sea, if you need to be convinced, then it's probably not for you and you have your answer. If you're not willing to pay any price, suffer any pain, do any job required of you, endure any injucstice to one day take that cat shot on a glorious day at sea.... it's probably not the place for you.
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First 10 years of being a Naval Aviator are fun. Being a Junior Officer in a wardroom is fun. You will get leadership challenges that you did not expect as being a Naval Officer is your primary function and pilot is your warfare specialty. Same thing for ship/sub drivers.
Jet guys can have good/bad years but 300 hours per year/900hrs per sea tour seems to be the max. You can probably expect to leave the service after about 10 years with 1000-1500 hours depending on your type/model series and what you do during your shore tours.
With the delay in the T-45 training pipeline - I would not expect to see that many new jet guys selected for the next year. The backlog should be over by next summer.
If you can embrace the fact that you will not "change the system" as a Junior Officer and that most of the stuff that really ****es folks off are either mandated by law or some other directive than the first 10 years can be fun. It goes rapidly down hill after that unless you like "organizational leadership" office type work. With the new retirement system in place it will be hard to keep any pilot in the service after their initial obligation.
Jet guys can have good/bad years but 300 hours per year/900hrs per sea tour seems to be the max. You can probably expect to leave the service after about 10 years with 1000-1500 hours depending on your type/model series and what you do during your shore tours.
With the delay in the T-45 training pipeline - I would not expect to see that many new jet guys selected for the next year. The backlog should be over by next summer.
If you can embrace the fact that you will not "change the system" as a Junior Officer and that most of the stuff that really ****es folks off are either mandated by law or some other directive than the first 10 years can be fun. It goes rapidly down hill after that unless you like "organizational leadership" office type work. With the new retirement system in place it will be hard to keep any pilot in the service after their initial obligation.
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Put it this way, unless you know, gouge/rumor be damned that your place is in a grey jet/helo flying off ships at sea, if you need to be convinced, then it's probably not for you and you have your answer. If you're not willing to pay any price, suffer any pain, do any job required of you, endure any injucstice to one day take that cat shot on a glorious day at sea.... it's probably not the place for you.
I got to do the first one but they closed Cubi Point while I as in school and we invaded Iraq/Afghanistan so I got warm diet cokes and pizza with sandbox liberty in Dubai instead!
#29
I've heard from a lot of navy guys that the navy is a better way to get into military flying because air guard is extremely competitive and they like to hire from within the unit. Also, most of these navy guys recommend guard after their navy career as they can get on easier with some AD experience.
So, find guard/reserve units that fly aircraft you want to fly and call them to inquire about their application process.
If the airlines are your goal, stay away from helicopters.
Active-duty SUCKS. As others have typed, go find a Guard or Reserve job.
Last edited by Merle Dixon; 08-02-2017 at 05:00 AM.
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