C-12, Airlines, Both?
08-24-2017, 05:32 PM
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Which fixed-wing army guard aviation regiments hire civilians off the street? Or is prior guard service in a non-pilot capacity required prior to being able to apply for army FW guard/reserve slots?
08-25-2017, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Duesenflieger
Which fixed-wing army guard aviation regiments hire civilians off the street? Or is prior guard service in a non-pilot capacity required prior to being able to apply for army FW guard/reserve slots?
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09-17-2018, 07:58 PM
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Hey guys, first time poster here...Found this thread and wanted to bring it back.
A little about myself to preface my question:
I'm a Army NG warrant of 5 years, looking to make the fixed wing transition. After talking with some colleagues, I think my best option would be to transfer to the reserves, due to the higher volume of fixed wing aircraft, as compared to individual guard units. I would like to stay close to NC if possible, so i assume the ft Bragg unit would be ideal. Im also not opposed to Denver/ colorado springs area. I heard that the Los Alaminos unit might be relocating there, but havent heard anything concrete. I am participating in the rotor transition program on the civilian side, and have already signed on board with a regional. My time building and ratings are complete, so I just need to go to IOT. I have approx. 850TT, 600 rotor, 250 FW. I'm a PC on the military side.
My question is somewhat two folded. What is the availability looking like for FW warrants on the reserve side? Is there someone that could point me in the right direction, for getting the possess started? I unfortunately do not have any contacts on the FW side of the house. My father is a retired aviator from the army FW community, but he's been retired for 10+ years, and no longer knows anyone in those units.
If there is anyone that knows something about the process, and would be willing to extend some mentorship, i would greatly appreciate it.
A little about myself to preface my question:
I'm a Army NG warrant of 5 years, looking to make the fixed wing transition. After talking with some colleagues, I think my best option would be to transfer to the reserves, due to the higher volume of fixed wing aircraft, as compared to individual guard units. I would like to stay close to NC if possible, so i assume the ft Bragg unit would be ideal. Im also not opposed to Denver/ colorado springs area. I heard that the Los Alaminos unit might be relocating there, but havent heard anything concrete. I am participating in the rotor transition program on the civilian side, and have already signed on board with a regional. My time building and ratings are complete, so I just need to go to IOT. I have approx. 850TT, 600 rotor, 250 FW. I'm a PC on the military side.
My question is somewhat two folded. What is the availability looking like for FW warrants on the reserve side? Is there someone that could point me in the right direction, for getting the possess started? I unfortunately do not have any contacts on the FW side of the house. My father is a retired aviator from the army FW community, but he's been retired for 10+ years, and no longer knows anyone in those units.
If there is anyone that knows something about the process, and would be willing to extend some mentorship, i would greatly appreciate it.
09-18-2018, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nateman06
Hey guys, first time poster here...Found this thread and wanted to bring it back.
A little about myself to preface my question:
I'm a Army NG warrant of 5 years, looking to make the fixed wing transition. After talking with some colleagues, I think my best option would be to transfer to the reserves, due to the higher volume of fixed wing aircraft, as compared to individual guard units. I would like to stay close to NC if possible, so i assume the ft Bragg unit would be ideal. Im also not opposed to Denver/ colorado springs area. I heard that the Los Alaminos unit might be relocating there, but havent heard anything concrete. I am participating in the rotor transition program on the civilian side, and have already signed on board with a regional. My time building and ratings are complete, so I just need to go to IOT. I have approx. 850TT, 600 rotor, 250 FW. I'm a PC on the military side.
My question is somewhat two folded. What is the availability looking like for FW warrants on the reserve side? Is there someone that could point me in the right direction, for getting the possess started? I unfortunately do not have any contacts on the FW side of the house. My father is a retired aviator from the army FW community, but he's been retired for 10+ years, and no longer knows anyone in those units.
If there is anyone that knows something about the process, and would be willing to extend some mentorship, i would greatly appreciate it.
A little about myself to preface my question:
I'm a Army NG warrant of 5 years, looking to make the fixed wing transition. After talking with some colleagues, I think my best option would be to transfer to the reserves, due to the higher volume of fixed wing aircraft, as compared to individual guard units. I would like to stay close to NC if possible, so i assume the ft Bragg unit would be ideal. Im also not opposed to Denver/ colorado springs area. I heard that the Los Alaminos unit might be relocating there, but havent heard anything concrete. I am participating in the rotor transition program on the civilian side, and have already signed on board with a regional. My time building and ratings are complete, so I just need to go to IOT. I have approx. 850TT, 600 rotor, 250 FW. I'm a PC on the military side.
My question is somewhat two folded. What is the availability looking like for FW warrants on the reserve side? Is there someone that could point me in the right direction, for getting the possess started? I unfortunately do not have any contacts on the FW side of the house. My father is a retired aviator from the army FW community, but he's been retired for 10+ years, and no longer knows anyone in those units.
If there is anyone that knows something about the process, and would be willing to extend some mentorship, i would greatly appreciate it.
09-18-2018, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gundriver64
All of the USAR FW units are currently overstrength with TPU aviators. The exception are UC-35 qualified TPU pilots. Bragg has recently downsized by moving the UC-35s to Joint Base MDL. The Los Alamitos move to Peterson has been on the fence for years. The COAs that I recently heard is that the unit will stay in CA or move to Joint Base Carswell.
Well, seems like the pilot shortage hasn't yet made its way to army FW. Not what I was hoping to hear, but good to know how it is straight up. If there was a chance of getting in, what do you think would help that chance?
Should I call the unit, and express interest in a position there? I dont want to come across as too persistant, or annoying. Im a very chill easy going guy to get along with, so i dont foresee there being a personality issue and being able to fit in. Just trying to figure out the next step without burning it. I very much appreciate the advice.
09-18-2018, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nateman06
Thanks for the quick response. I didnt realize they moved the uc-35s up north. They've been at Bragg for years.
Well, seems like the pilot shortage hasn't yet made its way to army FW. Not what I was hoping to hear, but good to know how it is straight up. If there was a chance of getting in, what do you think would help that chance?
Should I call the unit, and express interest in a position there? I dont want to come across as too persistant, or annoying. Im a very chill easy going guy to get along with, so i dont foresee there being a personality issue and being able to fit in. Just trying to figure out the next step without burning it. I very much appreciate the advice.
Well, seems like the pilot shortage hasn't yet made its way to army FW. Not what I was hoping to hear, but good to know how it is straight up. If there was a chance of getting in, what do you think would help that chance?
Should I call the unit, and express interest in a position there? I dont want to come across as too persistant, or annoying. Im a very chill easy going guy to get along with, so i dont foresee there being a personality issue and being able to fit in. Just trying to figure out the next step without burning it. I very much appreciate the advice.
09-19-2018, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MedHawk
Greetings,
Hello all, I am being presented with an opportunity to join a National Guard C-12 unit, and I have a few QOL questions before I pull the trigger (or not) on going back in.
Backstory: Currently in the IRR, 11 years of service before entering IRR. Presently, flying for a regional carrier, married with two kids and trying to keep it that way...
Questions:
- What would be a typical schedule for both Airlines and Guard/Reserve unit?
- How many days off can I expect per month? (I realize this might be relative, just looking for a general ballpark)
- For those who are currently in a Guard/Reserve unit, how do you manage your schedule between airline and unit? (bid long call?)
- Looking forward, would the Majors be more interested in 121 Jet experience or military King Air experience?
Thank you in advance for all advice and information
Hello all, I am being presented with an opportunity to join a National Guard C-12 unit, and I have a few QOL questions before I pull the trigger (or not) on going back in.
Backstory: Currently in the IRR, 11 years of service before entering IRR. Presently, flying for a regional carrier, married with two kids and trying to keep it that way...
Questions:
- What would be a typical schedule for both Airlines and Guard/Reserve unit?
- How many days off can I expect per month? (I realize this might be relative, just looking for a general ballpark)
- For those who are currently in a Guard/Reserve unit, how do you manage your schedule between airline and unit? (bid long call?)
- Looking forward, would the Majors be more interested in 121 Jet experience or military King Air experience?
Thank you in advance for all advice and information
What was your rank when you left active duty? If you were an O-3, you probably can not serve as your record met the board twice and was passed over. Yes, your record meets the board even when in the IRR. Don't ask me how or why.
All I know is my reserve unit has been screwed over many times now by returning O-3s. They join the unit, and then a few months after the CC gets a letter of separation due to being twice deferred.
Giving the current climate with the pilot shortage, anything is possible.
I personally know three people this affected. They could never serve again.
09-19-2018, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Before you go telling your current company to pack sand, there's one BIG issue that a lot of folks who leave the service forget about.
What was your rank when you left active duty? If you were an O-3, you probably can not serve as your record met the board twice and was passed over. Yes, your record meets the board even when in the IRR. Don't ask me how or why.
All I know is my reserve unit has been screwed over many times now by returning O-3s. They join the unit, and then a few months after the CC gets a letter of separation due to being twice deferred.
Giving the current climate with the pilot shortage, anything is possible.
I personally know three people this affected. They could never serve again.
What was your rank when you left active duty? If you were an O-3, you probably can not serve as your record met the board twice and was passed over. Yes, your record meets the board even when in the IRR. Don't ask me how or why.
All I know is my reserve unit has been screwed over many times now by returning O-3s. They join the unit, and then a few months after the CC gets a letter of separation due to being twice deferred.
Giving the current climate with the pilot shortage, anything is possible.
I personally know three people this affected. They could never serve again.
The Navy will discharge you from the (regular) IRR if you FOS x2. They would not let you affiliate in a SELRES/TR status.
If you join the reserves from AD, even with x2 FOS, your counter gets reset, and you get two looks in the reserves.
If you have a gap of time in the IRR and affiliate as a SELRES/TR then they give you one grace year to build a track record before going to the board, even if you're at your year-group eligibility zone.
So the Navy tries to manage the problem. I'm aware of other services which don't, so you need to do your research and I assume it could even vary by state for the guard.
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