ArmyFW

Does anyone know if the GI Bill will pay for a single engine add-on if you already have your multi engine commercial? The army puts us through the king air training with not enough hours in the Grob to obtain single engine privileges.

ApachePhil

They used to.

You will have to pass the PTS "add-on" maneuvers for MEL to SEL. Think lazy 8's, etc. Depending on the DPE, it won't be a gimme. I think most guys were having to buy 10 hours of SEL (non-complex) and then pay for a check ride. The FBO in Enterprise knew exactly what you needed at one time. Do your diligence, as this was as of 10 years ago.

FlewNavy

Not worth burning GI bill money on. Depending on where you live that will be $1000 for the airplane, $250-500 for the CFI and 200-400 for the check ride.

ArmyFW

I was told I needed
-10 hours of solo
-3 hours dual cross country (night)
-10 takeoff and landing to a full stop (night)
-6 hours of dual in preparation for solo
-3 hours dual in preparation for the checkride

That is directly from one of the CFI's here in Dothan

I've been looking through the FAR's but am confused because I know I will have a commercial multi land and instrument ticket, but no single engine stuff. So I am having a hard time picking out what pertains to me

badflaps

You do all of that, you will be a brand new private pilot.

ArmyFW

So I don't need to do it?

badflaps

Those are all initial requirements, many of those you already have. Get ahold of somebody at the FAA or at least a designee who will give you the straight scoop.

60av8tor

No you don't. From 61.63:

(c) Additional aircraft class rating. A person who applies for an additional class rating on a pilot certificate:

(1) Must have a logbook or training record endorsement from an authorized instructor attesting that the person was found competent in the appropriate aeronautical knowledge areas and proficient in the appropriate areas of operation.

(2) Must pass the practical test.

(3) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; unless, the person only holds a lighter-than-air category rating with a balloon class rating and is seeking an airship class rating, then that person must receive the specified training time requirements and possess the appropriate aeronautical experience.

As others have said, you merely need a logbook endorsement for the practical - obviously some time to be proficient in the required maneuvers. There is also no need to do anything in a complex. I did similar to what you're doing - had my rotor and AMEL ATP, then did a comm ASEL add on. Several hours with a CFI practicing the maneuvers in a 172 and a check ride - done...

I also agree with another poster re it being a waste of benefits. IMO, unless it's a university program, I think flight training is a waste of the GI Bill. That being said, I used mine to do my multi commercial. I paid out of pocket for the single. As far as using the GI Bill, it has been a while, but I believe it had to be a 141 program to use it. Not sure if that has changed.

BeatNavy

I've learned to "trust but verify" CFIs. Especially those in enterprise and Dothan. But maybe 10 hours of soloing a Cessna will be fun.

Have the CFI read 61.63.c and then ask where the 10 hours of solo requirement comes from. Ask him if you get a commercial single engine rating first, do you need 10 hours of soloing a multi to get a multi add on? Makes no sense.

Just get proficient at the maneuvers and take the checkride. Get some intel on the DPE first and make sure it is a mil-friendly guy. No need for a pink slip bc a guy has it out for mil folks. They are few but out there.

61.63.c

Additional aircraft class rating. A person who applies for an additional class rating on a pilot certificate:

(1) Must have a logbook or training record endorsement from an authorized instructor attesting that the person was found competent in the appropriate aeronautical knowledge areas and proficient in the appropriate areas of operation.

(2) Must pass the practical test.

(3) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought; unless, the person only holds a lighter-than-air category rating with a balloon class rating and is seeking an airship class rating, then that person must receive the specified training time requirements and possess the appropriate aeronautical experience.

(4) Need not take an additional knowledge test, provided the applicant holds an airplane, rotorcraft, powered-lift, weight-shift-control aircraft, powered parachute, or airship rating at that pilot certificate level.

BFMthisA10

He quoted you the initial private pilot training requirements.
Not applicable to your situation. At all.