COVID vaccine mandate…
12-07-2022, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They wanted to get away from canx and lockdowns asap. The hope was that the vax would work for that.
This I got directly from flag officers.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...409-1/fulltext
When your policy becomes counterproductive you either change your policy or you lose your credibility. This rebuke from Congress demonstrates that those flag officers have lost credibility with Congress. That was an avoidable outcome.
12-07-2022, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by new guy
I won't argue what generals told you if you won't argue what they actually enacted at all subordinate levels. I speak as someone who was there, in the rooms with all the full birds carrying out what they said they were told from those flag officers.
And at the battalions seeing first hand how horrible it went. Soldiers were getting it left and right and the only thing that happened was it looked bad, but no death, nothing more than extended vacations for our guys. The PR was the only problem the military had.
And at the battalions seeing first hand how horrible it went. Soldiers were getting it left and right and the only thing that happened was it looked bad, but no death, nothing more than extended vacations for our guys. The PR was the only problem the military had.
12-07-2022, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
The short duration of immunity after coronavirus immunization was well known in the veterinary and medical communities even before COVID. It should not have surprised anyone. The fact that the current COVID vaccine had only brief effectiveness against infection and contagiousness was known long before people started getting discharged:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...409-1/fulltext
When your policy becomes counterproductive you either change your policy or you lose your credibility. This rebuke from Congress demonstrates that those flag officers have lost credibility with Congress. That was an avoidable outcome.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...409-1/fulltext
When your policy becomes counterproductive you either change your policy or you lose your credibility. This rebuke from Congress demonstrates that those flag officers have lost credibility with Congress. That was an avoidable outcome.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
12-07-2022, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's why they had boosters, if needed. The policy was legit probably until spring 2022 when it became obvious where the variants were headed.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
12-07-2022, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's why they had boosters, if needed. The policy was legit probably until spring 2022 when it became obvious where the variants were headed.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
There was a time when generals retired in protest.
Glad I am out and done with people doing whatever it takes to keep their stars
12-07-2022, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's why they had boosters, if needed. The policy was legit probably until spring 2022 when it became obvious where the variants were headed.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
And stop blaming the mil leadership, you know where this came from.
There was a time when generals retired in protest.
Glad I am out and done with people doing whatever it takes to keep their stars
12-07-2022, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
when the military leadership stops being complicit with bad decisions I will. Sometimes you need to do the right thing for the troops you have under you, even if it costs you a promotion in the future. Careerists are not the guys I want giving orders to troops in a war. You want leaders who do what’s right, not professional brown nosers.
Well I have some bad news for you…
They’re all brown nosers
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12-07-2022, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
when the military leadership stops being complicit with bad decisions I will. Sometimes you need to do the right thing for the troops you have under you, even if it costs you a promotion in the future. Careerists are not the guys I want giving orders to troops in a war. You want leaders who do what’s right, not professional brown nosers.
There are issues worth resigning over, this isn't one of them IMO. I don't see why the leadership should fall on their swords because some folks disobeyed lawful general orders. It worked out well for everyone, those who chose not to obey orders were let off the hook, no harm, no foul. They'll probably end up re-instated eventually.
12-07-2022, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Nobody knew what was right or wrong, they took their best swag.
There are issues worth resigning over, this isn't one of them IMO. I don't see why the leadership should fall on their swords because some folks disobeyed lawful general orders.
There are issues worth resigning over, this isn't one of them IMO. I don't see why the leadership should fall on their swords because some folks disobeyed lawful general orders.
It worked out well for everyone, those who chose not to obey orders were let off the hook, no harm, no foul. They'll probably end up re-instated eventually.
12-07-2022, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
You don’t have to resign to tell your boss that their lawful general order is the WRONG general order, nor do you do your commander or your service any great favor by not giving them that feedback.
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Which actually DOES undermine the chain of command. That was both an undesirable and an avoidable outcome.
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