I would call it 197.9 student and 9.4 turbine PIC. Only give the UPT other time to a carrier who wants "other" time.

My numbers from the pre-SUPT timeframe were 154 student and 20 PIC (T37 and T38 solo time)

Actually I really don't think I need the additional hours since they don't really amount to much anyway. I'm sure my PIC hours are what they are going to be looking at most anyway. I guess it's just a little frustrating when it seems some of the newer systems (*cough* UPS *cough*) let a computer do all of the scoring for the first 3 steps or whatever before a human even attempts to look at a resume.

I'm a crossflow guy and was being prepped for command. Most of the times when I went downrange I was being used as an ADO/DO or Stan-evil, which means I spent a lot more time behind the desk than my contemporaries...and now I'm only able to fly once a week if I'm lucky due to my current job. Does it kill me...no, but honestly 90 hours at this point will probably equate to six months of flying.

Oh well, hopefully I can get someone to hire me and I still have a year to worry about it, so I'm not too concerned....yet.

GNH

And thanks for all the help guys!:D

Was told at interview by mil guy that while technically it was pic time - be realistic - you were a student who didn't even have wings. Of course now that almost all going to UPT have a ppl if might make it a bit different. I just tossed it into my total time and didn't have a logbook for mil tie at either interview. Total time spent by prospective company (x2) looking at my flying history report, about 5 seconds. They were more interested in the TMAAT and the most rewarding/coolest missions I felt I had accomplished

my 2 cents

Were you ME rated going into UPT? The typical UPT stud has only a SE PPL. So, you wouldn't hold the proper rating if that was the case since everyone I know added them on after pinning on their wings. Something to think about.

I personally counted all of the T-6 time as PIC because I had commercial single engine rating and had a high performance sign off before UPT. When it comes down to it, the T-6 would be no different than a C208 and I have hundreds of hours in that. As for the T-1, I counted all of it as SIC (that is, the hours i was actually in the seat)...

When you guys take out your jumpset T-1 time its more in line with the hours we got back in the day.

I guess it kinda also depends on what they ask for as proof of hours. lifter brings it up like I was planning on going. On my form 5 which lists all the hours by catagory, it just lumps all of the student time together...there is no separation or other time listed. So, it would simply be included in the total time, but not as PIC or SIC. Again, hopefully all of this is water under the bridge but guess we'll see. Kinda weird tho...I ended up with a type in the BE-400, MU-300 because of my T-1 flying.:rolleyes:

GNH

IT ALL DEPENDS!!! Depends on the airline you are applying with... they all have different guidance. Bottom line... be conservative... I know of a few guys who were not hired at AMR and UAL due to "issues" with PIC time... stretching the truth with UPT and IP time.

Cheers,
Russ

It doesn't matter, its military time...by that reasoning if a guy was lazy and never added his type rating after AC Upgrade, he could never log PIC even after he was an AC, since he wasn't technically type-rated. Then there's another twist...the San Antonio FSDO told me they actually consider us "PIC's" after our NAV/Instrument Checkride...which is 1.5 months before we graduate and get our wings, and the guy told me I could log everything after that as PIC (which I didn't to be conservative). Twist #2, the FAR/aim while I was in UPT allowed me to log SIC, but all of the SIC rules were rearranged in this year's FAR/AIM...if I was in UPT now, well I would have to talk to the FSDO for guidance...According to 61.55, I wasn't legal to even occupy that seat. An IP once told me, when in doubt, Primary = PIC, Secondary = SIC, Other = nothing. Twist #3...UPT time is logged as 95% Primary (And then becomes "Student TIme" in ARMS)

Geez now I don't see how I could have ever been confused...:p

GNH