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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 350110)
USMCFLYR (aka "Corpsman"):
If you are indeed a current FRS (Dare I say "RAG?") Hornet IP, your NATOPS Checkride Form is proof, or you logbook which shows your instructor time. FITREPS that mention you are an IP from date-to-date are supporting evidence. I'm current in the T-38 and will be until 2010 or 2011, so I know they should give me MEL, but might try to put some centerline-thrust restriction on it. I am hoping that my T-34C and OV-10A time will give me SEL and MEL as well. The question will be if they will honor those aircraft, since I last flew them in 1998 and 1986, respectively. I think that will be a question for a lot of guys who might want this: how do I get the qual when I am no longer an active IP? From my interpretation, if you are a Squadron IP (in-house upgrade/checkout) I think you will still qualify. All the FAA seems to care is "Did some military authority grant this guy the title of "IP?" Dustoff: You are 100% correct--I've heard it from more than one military Flight Doc. It's male-bovine manure. My base will give you a 3rd-class, which gives the same result as the rule-change, but goes the extra mile and will PAY to send you downtown to get a 2nd class. And we wonder why the country is $4+ trillion in debt.... NATOPS will prove qualification for T/M/S and thet fact that I have been instructed and evaluated in CRM, but when I last looked it doesn't mention me being an instructor. My logbook has no line that designates instruction time. I put the type of flight that it was in the remarks section but of course most could not distinguish this code. Now FITREPS - there is a key. It states clearly that I am a instructor pilot qualified in yada yada yada. Still don't think that is the **official** designation that the original post spoke of. One thing that I read on the post was that the competency would be for all current AND former military IPs. I'll be keeping this in my scan because it would be interesting and in the future I could see myself instructing. "If you are indeed a current FRS....Hornet IP" "aka Corpsman" Now this has me confused.:confused: |
FITREPS should count as legal proof of anything...they are official federal documents. This assumes that the qualification is spelled out clearly in the comments block.
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USMC Clarification and Humor
Your Position under your avatar says FRS F/A-18 IP. I assume this is current, and not previous.
Since you are a "USMC Flyer," you're in the corps........man. I did a two-year exchange with the Navy in the T-34C. Just got out my Navy logbook. You're right; it doesn't show IP time. But what about the "Kind of Flight" code? I didn't know what the codes meant, so I looked in the front of the book--there is the table to explain it. I think that would do it, as well. PS--Just got out my old NATOPS Jacket. There is a letter, signed by the CO, that designated me an Instructor. Elsewhere, I found other references that designated me an Instrument Instructor, and a signoff for Initial Instructor. I'm assuming other Fleet squadrons do the same. BTW, do you fly C/Ds or E/Fs? Which do you like better? |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 350185)
FITREPS should count as legal proof of anything...they are official federal documents. This assumes that the qualification is spelled out clearly in the comments block.
Where are you remaining current in the T-38? |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 350222)
Your Position under your avatar says FRS F/A-18 IP. I assume this is current, and not previous.
Since you are a "USMC Flyer," you're in the corps........man. I did a two-year exchange with the Navy in the T-34C. Just got out my Navy logbook. You're right; it doesn't show IP time. But what about the "Kind of Flight" code? I didn't know what the codes meant, so I looked in the front of the book--there is the table to explain it. I think that would do it, as well. PS--Just got out my old NATOPS Jacket. There is a letter, signed by the CO, that designated me an Instructor. Elsewhere, I found other references that designated me an Instrument Instructor, and a signoff for Initial Instructor. I'm assuming other Fleet squadrons do the same. BTW, do you fly C/Ds or E/Fs? Which do you like better? Ah...exchange instructor duty in the Mentor huh? Where and when? FPCs can be confusing. Some of the same ones are used in the fleet and don't really mean instruction, plus - many people don't know how to code properly to begin with. Now in the NATOPS jacket you are correct. Many designation letters in there saying that you are this type of instructor or that type of instructor but again the original post seem to point towards a different type of instructor qualification than one given in the fleet squadrons - meaning some type of training command or FRS/RAG/RTU assignment. If that is not the case, then practically EVERY military aviator in my community could claim instructor duty since almost everyone will during the first squadron tour be **instructing** BFM, LATT, section lead or division lead upgrades, etc.... to new fleet pilots. I have flown what is being called the Legacy Hornets my entire career. A lot of the Navy guys are swapping back and forth, but very few Marines are getting a chance to fly the Super Hornets unless your a test guy or a special case such as the Colonel here in Lemoore who is a WSO and flies with the Super FRS since the Legacy FRS doesn't train WSOs. I would like to get a chance to fly the Super, but I doubt someone would foot the bill for the training since the USMC is still standing firm on the **not buying the F/A-18E/F** and betting the nest egg on the F-35. It is basically against Corps policy to even say the name 'Super Hornet' out loud.:eek: I did see on the Sheppardair website that the implementation date for this policy was Sep '08. Having never been a CFI in the civilian world, if this policy does come to pass, what tests (equivalency) or checkrides (FAA CFI checkride or refreshers) would be required. When a military trained pilot gets his wings and takes the Mil Competency tests - he is designated a Comm/ME w/ instrument rating (usually centerline thrust) with no other requirements. I assume it would be the same for the CFI/II/MEI. Thoughts? USMCFLYR |
More on Part 61.73(g)
USMC:
I fly the T-38C at CBM. Outstanding gig. I flew the T-34C at NPA in VT-10 for the NFO/Nav program. 1996-98. Not a bad program, but I didn't really care for the Turbo-tormentor. Flew the Phantom last at Nellis, and fought Lemoore Hornets over Death Valley in '95 or '96. (2 v 2) I think any IP designation--whether FRS/RAG/RTU, or in-house IP--will fill the bill. Whether the training program was a PCS move to the School House or a 12-ride local upgrade, there was some kind of syllabus, gradebook and the ability to bust/hook/down a ride--or be eliminated, if you are a clown. I was a squadron IP in the OV-10A and F-4G, so I believe those will count as well. Hope so--I have a ton of IP time in the F-4. BTW, in the Air Force, only about 15-20% of the pilots in a squadron will make IP--and they are the only guys who can sign-off upgrade training. In Navy-speak, you start as a wingman, section lead (2-Ship Flt Lead; 99.9% make this grade), Division Lead (4-Ship Flt Lead; about 95% of all pilots make this cut), and the final brass-ring is IP. If the Navy/Corps don't designate and upgrade IPs this way, then maybe squadron IP time won't count for you. I've never held a CFI either. From what I've gathered so far, it will be a written test only on the elements of instruction. No checkride. Should be easy--buy a book and study by yourself, or pay some schmucks like "All ATPs" and do it through them. I don't really plan on CFI-ing at the local FBO. I have a lead on flying a military airplane for a museum, and they said if I had a CFI "...we could use you." It can also be useful when searching for jobs at Part 91 or 135 flight departments. |
Now if they'd only let military pilots fly civilian airplanes with a current military 1042 (flight physical) instead of having to pay some quack $90 for a half-assed FAA physical.
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
(Post 355857)
Now if they'd only let military pilots fly civilian airplanes with a current military 1042 (flight physical) instead of having to pay some quack $90 for a half-assed FAA physical.
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
(Post 355857)
Now if they'd only let military pilots fly civilian airplanes with a current military 1042 (flight physical) instead of having to pay some quack $90 for a half-assed FAA physical.
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has anyone heard any updates on this?
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