FAA CFI Rule/Policy Change?
03-27-2008, 01:39 PM
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FAA CFI Rule/Policy Change?
A friend told me that effective next fiscal year, military instructor pilots will be able to get the appropriate CFI rating on their civil ticket, just like there is the commercial/instrument equivalency test coming out of military pilot training.
I've looked at the FAA website, but can't find any mention of it, but then again, if you've ever looked for information there, it is very difficult to find.
Any words and/or links would be appreciated.
I've looked at the FAA website, but can't find any mention of it, but then again, if you've ever looked for information there, it is very difficult to find.
Any words and/or links would be appreciated.
03-27-2008, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
A friend told me that effective next fiscal year, military instructor pilots will be able to get the appropriate CFI rating on their civil ticket, just like there is the commercial/instrument equivalency test coming out of military pilot training.
I've looked at the FAA website, but can't find any mention of it, but then again, if you've ever looked for information there, it is very difficult to find.
Any words and/or links would be appreciated.
I've looked at the FAA website, but can't find any mention of it, but then again, if you've ever looked for information there, it is very difficult to find.
Any words and/or links would be appreciated.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...A?OpenDocument
03-27-2008, 05:08 PM
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(42) Proposal to establish a new privilege and procedures for issuing flight instructor certificates and ratings to U.S. military instructor pilots.
The FAA proposes to add Sec. 61.73(g) to establish a new privilege and procedure for issuing flight instructor certificates and ratings to U.S. military instructor pilots who graduate from an U.S. military instructor pilot school with an instructor pilot qualification.
The FAA has been participating in a U.S. Department of Labor program that encourages governmental agencies to recognize U.S. military training and qualification. For years, the FAA has recognized the training and qualifications of U.S. military pilots and has issued FAA commercial pilot and instrument rating certification to military rated pilots who graduate from a U.S. Armed Forces undergraduate pilot training school. The FAA now proposes to issue flight instructor certificates and ratings to rated military instructor pilots who graduate from an instructor pilot course of the U.S. Armed Forces. To be issued a flight instructor certificate and rating, a military instructor pilot would have to pass a knowledge test that covers the aeronautical knowledge areas listed under Sec. 61.185(a) of this part that are appropriate to the military instructor pilot ratings and privileges held. This would mean that the applicant would have to pass the appropriate knowledge tests that cover the aeronautical knowledge areas on:
Fundamentals of instructing, including the learning process, elements of effective teaching, student evaluation and testing, course development, lesson planning, and classroom training techniques;
Recreational, private, and commercial pilot certification, applicable to the aircraft category for which flight instructor privileges are sought; and
The aeronautical knowledge areas for the instrument rating applicable to the category for which instrument flight instructor privileges are sought.
Additionally, a U.S. military instructor pilot would be required to show the documentation described in proposed Sec. 61.73(g)(3) to an FAA Aviation Safety Inspector, FAA Aviation Safety Technician, or an authorized Examiner (this would mean, authorized to issue the flight instructor certificate and rating(s) to a U.S. military instructor pilot).
The FAA proposes to add Sec. 61.73(g) to establish a new privilege and procedure for issuing flight instructor certificates and ratings to U.S. military instructor pilots who graduate from an U.S. military instructor pilot school with an instructor pilot qualification.
The FAA has been participating in a U.S. Department of Labor program that encourages governmental agencies to recognize U.S. military training and qualification. For years, the FAA has recognized the training and qualifications of U.S. military pilots and has issued FAA commercial pilot and instrument rating certification to military rated pilots who graduate from a U.S. Armed Forces undergraduate pilot training school. The FAA now proposes to issue flight instructor certificates and ratings to rated military instructor pilots who graduate from an instructor pilot course of the U.S. Armed Forces. To be issued a flight instructor certificate and rating, a military instructor pilot would have to pass a knowledge test that covers the aeronautical knowledge areas listed under Sec. 61.185(a) of this part that are appropriate to the military instructor pilot ratings and privileges held. This would mean that the applicant would have to pass the appropriate knowledge tests that cover the aeronautical knowledge areas on:
Fundamentals of instructing, including the learning process, elements of effective teaching, student evaluation and testing, course development, lesson planning, and classroom training techniques;
Recreational, private, and commercial pilot certification, applicable to the aircraft category for which flight instructor privileges are sought; and
The aeronautical knowledge areas for the instrument rating applicable to the category for which instrument flight instructor privileges are sought.
Additionally, a U.S. military instructor pilot would be required to show the documentation described in proposed Sec. 61.73(g)(3) to an FAA Aviation Safety Inspector, FAA Aviation Safety Technician, or an authorized Examiner (this would mean, authorized to issue the flight instructor certificate and rating(s) to a U.S. military instructor pilot).
03-27-2008, 05:10 PM
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I really like proposal #13.
(13) Proposal to excuse military pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to obtain an FAA medical certificate.
The FAA proposes to add a new Sec. 61.23(b)(9) to excuse military pilots from having to hold an FAA medical certificate. Military pilots would be required to complete a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a military medical facility of the United States. The examination would have to be current.
In accordance with existing Sec. 61.39(a)(4), for a military pilot to be eligible for a practical test for an airman certificate or rating issued under part 61, an applicant must ``hold at least a current third-class medical certificate.'' The FAA has determined that the medical examinations provided by a U.S. Armed Forces medical facility to military pilots equals or exceeds the content and quality of a medical certification required by the FAA. Therefore, the FAA proposes to amend Sec. 61.23 by adding paragraph (b)(9) and excuse pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to hold an FAA medical certificate provided that: (1) The pilot completed a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a U.S. military medical facility; (2) The examination is current; and (3) The flight does not involve a flight in air transportation service under parts 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter.
Unfortunately, the last sentence from above knocks the winds out of your sails!!.
(13) Proposal to excuse military pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to obtain an FAA medical certificate.
The FAA proposes to add a new Sec. 61.23(b)(9) to excuse military pilots from having to hold an FAA medical certificate. Military pilots would be required to complete a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a military medical facility of the United States. The examination would have to be current.
In accordance with existing Sec. 61.39(a)(4), for a military pilot to be eligible for a practical test for an airman certificate or rating issued under part 61, an applicant must ``hold at least a current third-class medical certificate.'' The FAA has determined that the medical examinations provided by a U.S. Armed Forces medical facility to military pilots equals or exceeds the content and quality of a medical certification required by the FAA. Therefore, the FAA proposes to amend Sec. 61.23 by adding paragraph (b)(9) and excuse pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to hold an FAA medical certificate provided that: (1) The pilot completed a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a U.S. military medical facility; (2) The examination is current; and (3) The flight does not involve a flight in air transportation service under parts 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter.
Unfortunately, the last sentence from above knocks the winds out of your sails!!.
03-27-2008, 05:15 PM
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Yes, I have that...
NWA Viper Guy:
Yeah, I have that too. The date at the top of the file says it was written in Feb 2007, and originally proposed in late 2006. The proposal was open for public comment until May 2007.
I couldn't find anything in the document that gave implementation dates, though, assuming it passed. Couldn't Google it, either. (Got stuff from 2005). And it's not in the current FAR 61 on the FAA's site.
My buddy thinks it is Sept 17, 2008, but I'm looking for something concrete.
Just curious--I won't need it until 2010.
Yeah, I have that too. The date at the top of the file says it was written in Feb 2007, and originally proposed in late 2006. The proposal was open for public comment until May 2007.
I couldn't find anything in the document that gave implementation dates, though, assuming it passed. Couldn't Google it, either. (Got stuff from 2005). And it's not in the current FAR 61 on the FAA's site.
My buddy thinks it is Sept 17, 2008, but I'm looking for something concrete.
Just curious--I won't need it until 2010.
03-27-2008, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by C-17 Driver
I really like proposal #13.
(13) Proposal to excuse military pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to obtain an FAA medical certificate.
The FAA proposes to add a new Sec. 61.23(b)(9) to excuse military pilots from having to hold an FAA medical certificate. Military pilots would be required to complete a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a military medical facility of the United States. The examination would have to be current.
In accordance with existing Sec. 61.39(a)(4), for a military pilot to be eligible for a practical test for an airman certificate or rating issued under part 61, an applicant must ``hold at least a current third-class medical certificate.'' The FAA has determined that the medical examinations provided by a U.S. Armed Forces medical facility to military pilots equals or exceeds the content and quality of a medical certification required by the FAA. Therefore, the FAA proposes to amend Sec. 61.23 by adding paragraph (b)(9) and excuse pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to hold an FAA medical certificate provided that: (1) The pilot completed a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a U.S. military medical facility; (2) The examination is current; and (3) The flight does not involve a flight in air transportation service under parts 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter.
Unfortunately, the last sentence from above knocks the winds out of your sails!!.
(13) Proposal to excuse military pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to obtain an FAA medical certificate.
The FAA proposes to add a new Sec. 61.23(b)(9) to excuse military pilots from having to hold an FAA medical certificate. Military pilots would be required to complete a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a military medical facility of the United States. The examination would have to be current.
In accordance with existing Sec. 61.39(a)(4), for a military pilot to be eligible for a practical test for an airman certificate or rating issued under part 61, an applicant must ``hold at least a current third-class medical certificate.'' The FAA has determined that the medical examinations provided by a U.S. Armed Forces medical facility to military pilots equals or exceeds the content and quality of a medical certification required by the FAA. Therefore, the FAA proposes to amend Sec. 61.23 by adding paragraph (b)(9) and excuse pilots of the U.S. Armed Forces from having to hold an FAA medical certificate provided that: (1) The pilot completed a medical examination for flight status as a military pilot from a flight surgeon at a U.S. military medical facility; (2) The examination is current; and (3) The flight does not involve a flight in air transportation service under parts 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter.
Unfortunately, the last sentence from above knocks the winds out of your sails!!.
You know - I don't mind having to have the medical (that I will soon be getting again), but why not just let Flight Surgeons have the ability to issue the medical certificates - all classes? I'm sure there is some good reason out there, but when I go next month for my military flight physical and then have to turn around and go to a doctor out in town just to get my 3rd class - I have to wonder.
03-27-2008, 08:56 PM
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"to establish a new privilege and procedure for issuing flight instructor certificates and ratings to U.S. military instructor pilots who graduate from an U.S. military instructor pilot school with an instructor pilot qualification."
Not sure exactly what U.S.military instructor school I graduated from and where my certificate might lie - but I hope I can convince someone that I spent a few years teaching somebody something!
USMCFLYR
Not sure exactly what U.S.military instructor school I graduated from and where my certificate might lie - but I hope I can convince someone that I spent a few years teaching somebody something!
USMCFLYR
03-28-2008, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
You know - I don't mind having to have the medical (that I will soon be getting again), but why not just let Flight Surgeons have the ability to issue the medical certificates - all classes?
03-28-2008, 05:53 AM
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Instructor Certification
USMCFLYR (aka "Corpsman"):
If you are indeed a current FRS (Dare I say "RAG?") Hornet IP, your NATOPS Checkride Form is proof, or you logbook which shows your instructor time. FITREPS that mention you are an IP from date-to-date are supporting evidence.
I'm current in the T-38 and will be until 2010 or 2011, so I know they should give me MEL, but might try to put some centerline-thrust restriction on it. I am hoping that my T-34C and OV-10A time will give me SEL and MEL as well. The question will be if they will honor those aircraft, since I last flew them in 1998 and 1986, respectively.
I think that will be a question for a lot of guys who might want this: how do I get the qual when I am no longer an active IP?
From my interpretation, if you are a Squadron IP (in-house upgrade/checkout) I think you will still qualify. All the FAA seems to care is "Did some military authority grant this guy the title of "IP?"
Dustoff: You are 100% correct--I've heard it from more than one military Flight Doc. It's male-bovine manure. My base will give you a 3rd-class, which gives the same result as the rule-change, but goes the extra mile and will PAY to send you downtown to get a 2nd class. And we wonder why the country is $4+ trillion in debt....
If you are indeed a current FRS (Dare I say "RAG?") Hornet IP, your NATOPS Checkride Form is proof, or you logbook which shows your instructor time. FITREPS that mention you are an IP from date-to-date are supporting evidence.
I'm current in the T-38 and will be until 2010 or 2011, so I know they should give me MEL, but might try to put some centerline-thrust restriction on it. I am hoping that my T-34C and OV-10A time will give me SEL and MEL as well. The question will be if they will honor those aircraft, since I last flew them in 1998 and 1986, respectively.
I think that will be a question for a lot of guys who might want this: how do I get the qual when I am no longer an active IP?
From my interpretation, if you are a Squadron IP (in-house upgrade/checkout) I think you will still qualify. All the FAA seems to care is "Did some military authority grant this guy the title of "IP?"
Dustoff: You are 100% correct--I've heard it from more than one military Flight Doc. It's male-bovine manure. My base will give you a 3rd-class, which gives the same result as the rule-change, but goes the extra mile and will PAY to send you downtown to get a 2nd class. And we wonder why the country is $4+ trillion in debt....
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