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Originally Posted by Slice
No conspiracies and no need to get your panties in a wad. I never said 38 guys are better, I only said weak swimmers are sometimes pushed through because they won't be flying alone. Most all T-1 studs could fly 38's too. But there have been weak Tone studs that wouldn't have wings if it weren't for the split track.... As for washout 'rates' they as you know vary by the needs of the AF at any given time during a training cycle.


I wear boxers thanks.

I stand by my post, it reflects 4+ years in AETC and 8 more flying heavies.

What did you use to derive your weak swimmer theory?







"Check tapes on,........check away..........turn in FIGHT's ON"

Not from me

Fox 3! No beef here. My opinions are based on 13 months on a UPT base and numerous current and former IP and/or FAIP bros. I don't have specific #'s but you'll never convince me that it isn't true. I don't think the split track was created for washout issues but think it has helped numbers in some cases even if it's 10%. Higher, lower? Doesn't matter.

Your time as a student, plus the opinions of your FAIP buddies over beers (who I'd bet my life are all T-38 guys), convince you a certain idea must be true, so therefore it is? You don't have numbers, but even if you had them you wouldn't change your mind? Dang, dude, some of you guys really do believe all the things you say about each other. Talk about a self-licking ice cream cone. Amazing.

Most of my FAIP friends were -38 track studs FAIP'd to the Tweet. So they understand both sides... We can agree to disagree. That's the best I can do for you right now.

With the lack of resources in the guard right now I'd tend to agree with you. I wish I'd been able to do a tour active first. You make it sound like I am talking about a lot of T-1 students, I am not.

Or you could skip college altogether and go warrant officer in the Army. I know a ton of commissioned guys who resign their commission as captains or majors to become warrants. Less pay, way better job. My stick buddy in flight school was 19. Just imagine yourself in a cockpit getting paid as an officer in 6-12 months from now, or imagine yourself sitting through 4 horrible years of studying and getting treated like a stupid cad-idiot. That said I'm still going to try to get into the ANG and get a fighter slot when my time is up. If only the Army had fighters...

Capt's and Majors? Heck, I know a Marine LtCol (Cobra pilot) who just resigned his commission to go be a warrant with the 160th at Fort Campbell. Talk about a pay cut. Some of you Army helo dudes are kicking in more teeth than anybody else.

Haha, sigtauenus, reminds me of this Army Maj I know, he originally was a marine corps pilot, got out with 17 years of service, back in the early 90's drawdown, then when the military ws asking for pilots he went into the Army, but they screwed up his paperwork and he went in as a CW2 for 3 years. He also got told off by a CW3, and a few weeks later his paperwork was fixed and put Maj on. Anyhow, while on a deployment, he found out that the Army accidentally retired him and he had still been flying missions while on retired status, and he had to go back CONUS and sort that out.

Same Maj also didn't know the rule about not crossing the redline at Air Force bases. He's always someone to give a funny story.

No got one of those before I started flying helicopters. And I am not a warrant...just thought I'd throw in my two cents and open up another option that not a lot of folks know about. But I fly with a lot of warrants who have 4 year degrees; some got it before some get it while they are still in. Some have more schooling than I.