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USMCFLYR 12-28-2013 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by RampFlyer (Post 1548411)
Hello all,

I am 31yrs old with a Commercial ASEL, AMEL, Instrument rated with about 370 TT, and 42 total ME. I have read in previous posts in this thread that I could possibly get a waiver to be accepted to UPT at my age. However, during the start of my flight training(which was 10yrs ago) I was unable to pass the color blind test when I went to get my medical and so a restriction was placed upon it. In order for me to have it removed an FAA agent and myself stood at one end of the field from the control tower so the controller could flash red, white, and green lights at me and all i had to do was tell the agent what the colors were. I passed the test and the FAA issued me a SODA (Statement of Demonstrated Ability) saying that I was waived from taking the color blind test each time I went to renew my medical.


So, my question is if I applied and was accepted and I went to the flight Dr. for a physical and just so happened to pass the color blind (which I am told has been the same test used for years) would the SODA be an issue as far as a flight surgeon passing me? I hope i made some sense asking this question. I am just curious if a military career can still be a possibility for me. In the mean time I am currently working on my CFI and going from there.

I appreciate any thoughts or advice from you all.

In my case the military didn't not care, nor ask, about a SODA from the FAA. If you can pass THEIR test - all is good. If you can not - they don't care what the FAA might have to say about your color vision ability.

Btw - I'm assuming that you got your SODA so many years ago in the manner in which you describe for your 3rd Class FAA physical. Depending on whom you talk too, you may be told that you are required to get another waiver for another class of FAA physical - which is different from the older SODA process you describe.

There are some informative threads in the Pilot Health forum that you might want to become familiar with when you are ready to progress.

galaxy flyer 12-28-2013 12:06 PM

In 18 years, sending probably 30 or more UPT candidates up for USAF physicals, the color test was the only one 2 failed. It's a tough test, but don't let that stop you from trying.

GF

Hilltopper89 12-28-2013 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1548494)
In 18 years, sending probably 30 or more UPT candidates up for USAF physicals, the color test was the only one 2 failed. It's a tough test, but don't let that stop you from trying.

GF

Tough? It's only tough if you're colorblind.

Hilltopper89 12-28-2013 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by RampFlyer (Post 1548411)
Hello all,

I am 31yrs old with a Commercial ASEL, AMEL, Instrument rated with about 370 TT, and 42 total ME. I have read in previous posts in this thread that I could possibly get a waiver to be accepted to UPT at my age. However, during the start of my flight training(which was 10yrs ago) I was unable to pass the color blind test when I went to get my medical and so a restriction was placed upon it. In order for me to have it removed an FAA agent and myself stood at one end of the field from the control tower so the controller could flash red, white, and green lights at me and all i had to do was tell the agent what the colors were. I passed the test and the FAA issued me a SODA (Statement of Demonstrated Ability) saying that I was waived from taking the color blind test each time I went to renew my medical.


So, my question is if I applied and was accepted and I went to the flight Dr. for a physical and just so happened to pass the color blind (which I am told has been the same test used for years) would the SODA be an issue as far as a flight surgeon passing me? I hope i made some sense asking this question. I am just curious if a military career can still be a possibility for me. In the mean time I am currently working on my CFI and going from there.

I appreciate any thoughts or advice from you all.

I would be quite surprised if the flight doc...any flight doc accepted the SODA in place of the test. The Air Force anyhow seems to take this very seriously. A failure there would mean a failure overall. My $$ is on that you'll have to take the color blindness test. Yes, it is the same test that they've used for years but the numbers change. I know a guy who was colorblind and memorized the numbers in order. Trouble was the numbers had changed and he failed miserably.

RampFlyer 12-28-2013 02:37 PM

Thank you for the responses.

I figured I would just give it a shot and see what happens. I am still working on my CFI so if civilian flying is the only thing for me than so be it :). Other than worrying about a color blind test, would any of my creds mentioned previously help give me a good chance of making it in?

thegoblin 12-28-2013 02:51 PM

A guard unit I interviewed with a few months ago hired a guy who was 35.

Hilltopper89 12-28-2013 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by RampFlyer (Post 1548545)
Thank you for the responses.

I figured I would just give it a shot and see what happens. I am still working on my CFI so if civilian flying is the only thing for me than so be it :). Other than worrying about a color blind test, would any of my creds mentioned previously help give me a good chance of making it in?

They can't hurt. I doubt that most AF Guard/Reserve units would really care much. They are more concerned that you're a good dude.

Pavedickey 12-28-2013 04:21 PM

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Air Force is going away from the old colorblind test and has moved to a computer-based test that is also timed. It is fairly challenging for someone with normal color vision. My last four Flt physicals have used this new test instead of the old colored numbers books. A failure of an initial applicant might result in additional testing at what used to be Brooks, or they may chose to disqualify someone after additional testing on base. There is as far as I know, no waiver for color blindness and everyone else is correct, they could care less about what the FAA has said.

Pavedickey 12-28-2013 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by FlyArmy (Post 506836)
Hmm I am in a similar situation. I am an Army O, RW pilot. If all goes as I dream, I will be out in 4 years, 10 months, putting me at 29 1/2, almost 30 years old. I want to transition directly into the ANG to fly fast movers, so if the stars align and my dream works out I will have been hired by the ANG unit by then and perhaps have a UPT slot. That is pushing it real close...probably too close. I was told, however, that I would be going to an abbreviated UPT. I do not know all that much about that scenario, but I was wondering if the age limit still applies to this "abbreviated UPT" that I was told about?

As for the Army I know a guy who was 31 in flight school...a CPT. I also knew some older WOs. Those waivers depend on the unit if NG/reserve and needs of the army for AD. There isn't nearly as much demand for an older commissioned officer (generally a branch transfer CPT) whose timeline requires a company command fairly shortly after flight school because the officer has very little aviation experience and couldn't command a company as well as someone who knew aviation better. If it is a newly commissioned O, good luck getting an age waiver in active duty. There are plenty of qualified younger LTs and not enough aviations slots to go around as it is.

I have seen some fairly old prior service folks become WOs. Just depends on needs of the army. And, if you could get hired by a NG/Res fixed wing unit, I'm certain a waiver could be attained if they wanted you if you did decide to check out the army.

You are in luck as an already rated pilot in the Air Force's eyes. The age requirement does not apply to you since you are already rated, albeit in another service. The age 30 restriction applies to UNDERGRADUATE Pilot Training. You will be attending a graduate training course (Fixed Wing Qual) so you have no age restriction. The difficult part is going to be getting the Air Force to regenerate the FWQ course. They stopped it a few years ago, but our reserve unit was able to get AFRC to press AETC to reinstate the syllabus a couple of years ago. I don't know how long they will continue the program is it is still alive. Definitely worth pursuing and the precedent has been set for your situation.

PRS Guitars 12-28-2013 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Pavedickey (Post 1548597)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Air Force is going away from the old colorblind test and has moved to a computer-based test that is also timed. It is fairly challenging for someone with normal color vision. My last four Flt physicals have used this new test instead of the old colored numbers books. A failure of an initial applicant might result in additional testing at what used to be Brooks, or they may chose to disqualify someone after additional testing on base. There is as far as I know, no waiver for color blindness and everyone else is correct, they could care less about what the FAA has said.

Yeah,

I got the new test on my 2012 physical. It was much tougher.


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