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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 615405)
IIICorps stated in an earlier post that there were no A-series aircraft in the Air Force at the time the TFX program was underway. I don't think the SLUF was flying yet (which did fly with both the Navy and Air Force). The A-1 Skyraider started flying in the Air Force in the 1963. (1963-1972) Worked quite a few A-1s as a FAC. Lots of bombs and lots of play time. Great machine that was created on a napkin over a weekend. |
Ed Heinemann
IIICorps:
Ed Heinemann is a hero of mine. He had a hand in some famous airplanes: A-20, A-26, the Ted Smith (Rockwell) Aero Commander (which shows a strong A-26 resemblance), the A-1, and of course, the A-4. My favorite quote of his: "Simplicate and build-in lightness." Is the airplane in your icon a P-47 with a counter-rotating liquid-cooled engine? (XP-47H)? |
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 615483)
Is the airplane in your icon a P-47 with a counter-rotating liquid-cooled engine? (XP-47H)? http://www.aafo.com/gallery/week/01-08-01.jpg original http://www.airventure.de/reno2002/reno02_trophymb5.jpg replica (wow. what an effort! The lines are not as flowing and the prop hub looks a bit off) And this is the -47H http://www.enginehistory.org/Museums...ler/XP-47H.jpg ... a bit chunkier machine. |
Nice!!
IIICorps:
Very nice! The MB-5 was a new one on me. |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 615554)
IIICorps:
Very nice! The MB-5 was a new one on me. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...-1234P-041.jpg And the better looking but still not-so-great performer, the -75A http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/sha...-1234P-045.jpg MB went into ejection seats. Fisher went back to car bodies. |
Yup!
I knew about the P-75. Hard to believe that the Generals thought taking various pieces and cobbing them together would somehow work better.
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But think about it. Most aviators that know a bit of history know the P-38, P-39, P-40, P-47, P-51 and then it gets fuzzy. P-60 but it really was a night fighter. P-82 known because it was sort of a twin Mustang but between the first mentioned and the last, there was a P-something that has basically disappeared into the pages of history, not to mention the various models (A, B, C, etc). Lots of weird stuff around the world.
A while back I met a guy who flew in WWII and trained first on Stearmans. He left the USAF after flying F-106s. 100kts to Mach 2+. And then did the airline thing retiring off the -1011. The span of history is incredible. |
Lost to Oblivion
Originally Posted by III Corps
(Post 615702)
But think about it. Most aviators that know a bit of history know the P-38, P-39, P-40, P-47, P-51 and then it gets fuzzy. P-60 but it really was a night fighter. P-82 known because it was sort of a twin Mustang but between the first mentioned and the last, there was a P-something that has basically disappeared into the pages of history, not to mention the various models (A, B, C, etc). Lots of weird stuff around the world.
A while back I met a guy who flew in WWII and trained first on Stearmans. He left the USAF after flying F-106s. 100kts to Mach 2+. And then did the airline thing retiring off the -1011. The span of history is incredible. The authors had models of the airplanes that weren't built, and took photos of them. It really helped you visualize what they would have looked like. The facing page had a write-up on estimated performance, strengths, weaknesses, and why it wasn't built (or built, in the case of the ones that were). I always wanted to see a similar book for fighters, but never did. |
Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 615719)
There was a book I used to check out at my local library when I was in high school that showed every bomber ever proposed. I think it went from B-1 (of 1920-era) to XB-70. Every proposal (fighter, bomber, transport) gets a number assigned. Of course, most of us only know the ones that at least made it to mock-up stage, or further.
Not sure but I think when the MB.5 lost out, the counter-rotating prop on the Griffon did show up on the Spitfire XIV. The first solution was a five blade prop which was insufficient but beautiful. Note too the clipped wings. http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircra...ing9oClock.jpg They then went to the counter-rotating prop. http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircra...atingProps.jpg And then later comes the Westland Wyvern. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/ai...yvernlarge.jpg Even with the counter-rotating props, check out the size of the vertical fin, the rudder and the treatment on the horizontals. |
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