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Old 06-17-2009 | 02:36 AM
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Anyone know anything about the AF Reserve units shrinking this fall? I'm hearing that C-17 squadrons will each lose about 12 or so pilots.
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Old 06-17-2009 | 07:43 AM
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How can a squadron lose 12 pilots? How many c-17's per squadron?
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Old 06-17-2009 | 01:24 PM
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I haven't heard anything about shrinking the manning. I know some of our full time orders are going away.
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Old 06-17-2009 | 06:38 PM
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It's buried pretty clearly in this document, just a google.. use your find feature and "ratio" Looks like a big cut for active duty and reserve crew ratio, as in about 50%, which means the active duty will have nothing and the reserves will pick up their shortfalls with nothing. Remember, nothing is too good for you, so you get nothing and should be happy...

http://www.cngr.gov/hearing411-12/Tr...0testimony.pdf

I haven't seen where this is codified in title X yet or wherever they bury such numbers these days.
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Old 06-17-2009 | 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
How can a squadron lose 12 pilots? How many c-17's per squadron?
Most squadrons share jets, but on average I'd say 8 jets per stand-alone squadron and 12 jets if shared between active duty and reserve squadrons.

Most reserve squadrons are about 50 pilots and active duty squadrons have around 70.

No iron is leaving, but it seems that the AF is trying once again to do "more with less." Fortunately for all the active duty guys, they won't lose any people, so out of those 70 pilots, you'll still have 4-6 squadron execs, 2-3 group execs, and 2-3 wing mini-execs, plus about 20 "assistant chief of XXX" jobs, and don't forget 10 or so special project officers, which should leave about 6 guys to actually fly the jets. But those 6 guys will do so much flying that they won't get promoted.
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Old 06-17-2009 | 08:22 PM
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Riddler, you summed up the problem with the AF better than anything I've read in a long time...
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Old 06-18-2009 | 03:25 AM
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Amen...cut out the quipe and the flying is not a problem.
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Old 06-22-2009 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Riddler
Anyone know anything about the AF Reserve units shrinking this fall? I'm hearing that C-17 squadrons will each lose about 12 or so pilots.
I just spoke to my C-17 Sqdn DO today and he confirmed these numbers. The crew ratio per airplane is dropping 0.5 which is accounting for the loss in people. However, he doesn't expect anyone to be forced out--with normal retirements and some folks returning to active duty, plus being able to carry a small surplus, there won't be much drastic change for anyone already in the unit. For reserve unit wannabes, hiring will continue to be slow...
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I have also been told that there will be a reduction in the crew ratio, but it will be phased-in over the next 1-2 years.
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Old 07-10-2009 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Riddler
Most squadrons share jets, but on average I'd say 8 jets per stand-alone squadron and 12 jets if shared between active duty and reserve squadrons.

Most reserve squadrons are about 50 pilots and active duty squadrons have around 70.

No iron is leaving, but it seems that the AF is trying once again to do "more with less." Fortunately for all the active duty guys, they won't lose any people, so out of those 70 pilots, you'll still have 4-6 squadron execs, 2-3 group execs, and 2-3 wing mini-execs, plus about 20 "assistant chief of XXX" jobs, and don't forget 10 or so special project officers, which should leave about 6 guys to actually fly the jets. But those 6 guys will do so much flying that they won't get promoted.
You certainly did sum it up.... the AF loves efficiency. Riddler, you are too smart for Active Duty which is why your're in the Reserves. As a side note, FL Guard will be hiring a full timer (AGR) with Airlift and Tanker experience soon. Job hasn't been posted yet, but it will soon. It's a non-flying job but you do get a nice bonus and your're home everynight. PM me if you're interested
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