9 Jul 09 KCBM T-6 mishap?
 

So, who knows what concerning the CBM T-6 mishap on 9 Jul?

Not Much
 

Found out while I was at Columbus; not until after 9:00PM (saw it on the local news).

Solo student, he got out, plane crashed. And that is all.

Iraqi solo stud...has defintiely been kept quiet.

Here we go again.....

I saw articles reporting that the USAF was refusing to release the student's name or nationality. This is another case where plain honesty would prevent any questions, but trying to hide the facts (those that would be released in any other mishap) only creates a controversy that otherwise would not exist.

If we are training Iraqi's, why keep it secret, we've trained Pakistani's, Saudi's, Mexican's, Polish, etc?

Before we go out with spears, It is not common practice to ID names/ranks/nationalities of aircrew involved in mishaps who are not seriously injured or are not considered a casualty. We have class A and B mishaps all the time without anyone being ID'd in the news. Normally is only released via a JAGMAN. In this case there may be SOFA in place that would preclude such release that we are not aware of. Falls under the category of OPSEC and need to know regardless of classification.

My last tour was OIC of the prep school for RSNF (Royal Saudi Naval Forces) and there is some protocal for the foreign aviators. Always could be more to it of course.

I don't care where the kid is from...I'd just like to know what happened. Not to second guess but because I have a vested interest.

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I agree, and for those that fly the airplane and are in the T-6 community I'm sure your respective safety departments will promulgate mishap reports or any guidance or procedural changes based on the results of a mishap. I just don't think the general public always has a need to know who did what and when, no matter who it is and what type of mishap it was. How many aviators have shelled out of airplanes with "minor" injuries yet were never ID'd to the public, I don't see this mishap as being any different.

I somewhat disagree. A multi-million dollar piece of taxpayer property was destroyed. Unless there are OPSEC or technology considerations, some basic info should be released. Otherwise the situation gives off coverup vibes.

Political considerations may preclude naming the pilot (or his nationality).

Rickair, what value added is there in releasing the name of aircrew involved in a mishap where no death occurred? That information is certainly available under FOIA(JAGMAN) and as such can be obtained by other means. In this case the latter part of your post is certainly true.

I'm telling you right now, the Saudi's would have been very sensitive to letting it be known (public knowledge) if it was a RSNF student involved in a mishap. There certainly might be some political implications involved. As bad as 90% of the Saudi studs were (that might be an understatement), they certainly did not like any information getting out about their poor performance. Add a mishap to the equation and things get dicey. They pay well.

The Iraqi's will be the same.

They don't pay well.

Safety Investigation Board= findings covered by safety privilege, not released outside of AF safety channels. Can ONLY be released by the Air Force Safety Center.

Accident Investigation Board=findings released to the public, when that board finishes, it'll be released

Nothing political nor any kind of cover up, just how the AF safety system works, you'll have answers, eventually. Names are never released in this type of situation, regardless of nationality or branch of service.

No offense intended but most of us have been around the military for a long time and know how the safety system works...there is less known about this accident then most similar situations.

Maybe not monetary they don't. Regardless, they pay for a product and they get what they pay for...even if it means putting a half-ass aviator to their fleet.

What is not known about this incident that would normally be known at this stage of the investigation by the public? We know that a T-6 crashed in a field and that a student pilot was at the controls, had minor injuries, was assigned to XX Squadron, based at YY AFB, Columbus, OH. Would it really be any different in any other situation?

It was a solo student, nothing more needs to be said. If you can imagine it, it probably could happen. Previous to this the last two solo student phase II ejections from T-37s occurred as a result of (1) student screwing up a cuban eight and executing the roll nearly straight down, got disoriented and gave a Tweet a final resting place in the TX mesquite, and number (2) a solo student who G-Loc'd and woke up to a face full of dirt still in a disoriented state and gave one back to the taxpayers of Mississippi.

This will be nothing new. No state secrets, no conspiracy here--just a solo student who got out of an airplane. It is the cost of doing business and it happens/happened in ATC/AETC about once every 6 or seven years.

Of all of the mishaps in the last 10 years involving foreign students in US aircraft, I'd like you to find an example where the USAF refused to release the nationality of the mishap pilot. Here is an example of where they did, and it is not the only one: Cause of Jet Collision Is Under Investigation - Los Angeles Times (and it was within days, not after the final report). This one involves US personnel, but they list names: B-1B in Fiery Crash in Texas; Crewmen Bail Out - Los Angeles Times. Here, they list the rank but no name: Military jet crashes in San Diego neighborhood - Los Angeles Times. They have also listed names on T-37 gear up landings. (Not saying they should, but the good old Command Posts were more than willing to help the press). There may be no conspiracy, but it is not normal for that information to be withheld.

Bunk, they are not paying for that product, just as they aren't paying for all of those King Air's and Caravans they are getting.

Dude, I just came from a tour with NETSAFA as the OIC of the prep school for the Saudi's and they are paying good money for the training. If you are talking Iraqi's, I have no clue.

Uhhh, I was talking about the Iraqi's - you just left there, did we give King Air's and Caravan's to the Saudi's?.