Keeping a Logbook...Why?
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If my house caught fire, the family is the first thing I'd want out of the house. A few pictures would be next, but most of our pictures have duplicates at relatives. The logbook, however--is a special document for all the reasons I mentioned. I'd want to tuck that baby under my arm as I leapt out the window...
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On the worksheets they ask how many pilot in command hours does the aircraft commander have. Well how in the hell do you expect me to answer that since the USAF doesn't track PIC/SIC time?
When we had our SAV from AMC Stan/Eval, I made sure to voice my opinion about their ORM worksheets and the references to PIC time. Unfortunately, they didn't have a good answer but said they stood behind the ORM program and felt it was working.
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The PIC question comes up constantly in the KC-135 community because of the hours requirements as aircraft commander before touch and go certification and instructor school. We pretty much just applied the rule of thumb of: 1 AC deployment = definitely has the hours for touch and go; 2 AC deployments = definitely has the hours for instructor upgrade. I'm generally the only pilot in my squadron who knows how many sorties/hours he has as the A-coded guy. I guess to get actual PIC time I could filter for A-code sorties then look at PRI time. Of course, I've also applied the standard of splitting PRI and SEC evenly with the other guy. So I guess there's no real way to know exactly how much I've been at the controls of a jet I've signed for.
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This has been a big beef of mine ever since AMC and ACC AOS went to their new and improved ORM worksheets ... you know the ones with a bazillion questions that do little to keep you safe because they're going to get waived anyways.
On the worksheets they ask how many pilot in command hours does the aircraft commander have. Well how in the hell do you expect me to answer that since the USAF doesn't track PIC/SIC time?
When we had our SAV from AMC Stan/Eval, I made sure to voice my opinion about their ORM worksheets and the references to PIC time. Unfortunately, they didn't have a good answer but said they stood behind the ORM program and felt it was working.
On the worksheets they ask how many pilot in command hours does the aircraft commander have. Well how in the hell do you expect me to answer that since the USAF doesn't track PIC/SIC time?
When we had our SAV from AMC Stan/Eval, I made sure to voice my opinion about their ORM worksheets and the references to PIC time. Unfortunately, they didn't have a good answer but said they stood behind the ORM program and felt it was working.

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The PIC question comes up constantly in the KC-135 community because of the hours requirements as aircraft commander before touch and go certification and instructor school. We pretty much just applied the rule of thumb of: 1 AC deployment = definitely has the hours for touch and go; 2 AC deployments = definitely has the hours for instructor upgrade. I'm generally the only pilot in my squadron who knows how many sorties/hours he has as the A-coded guy. I guess to get actual PIC time I could filter for A-code sorties then look at PRI time. Of course, I've also applied the standard of splitting PRI and SEC evenly with the other guy. So I guess there's no real way to know exactly how much I've been at the controls of a jet I've signed for.
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