I agree - that is why I went the route I did.
Good luck.
Which FRS btw?

USMCFLYR

 

Currently a guest IP at VFA-106. IP at FAT-101 a while back...

 

This is exactly 180 degrees out from everything I've ever been told about airline hiring, to include my own interview with Delta, and just doesn't really pass any sort of reason check. By this reasoning, they would deduct 50% of PIC time in a multi-crew airplane since it is presumed that the other pilot is "at the stick" every other leg. But, they do not. It's decision making that they are looking for in PIC time - and instrctor time is all about making decisions. Instructor time, being PIC by default, is the gold standard of flight time. It's more than just being the Captain. It's being a Capt, who also has to overcome the additional distractions of teaching, anticipating and managing errors, and not allowing them to cross a safe threshold.

Showcase your mil instructor time - the hiring dudes love it. In fact, if your a mil guy with 8+ years and no, or little, instructor time it will raise eyebrows. Why wasn't this guy ever allowed to instruct?

I'll give Rick the benefit of the doubt that he is confusing Instructor time in the sim building of an airline training center with instructor time we log in the military, which is in the jet and in command of the aircraft. But, if he is referring to IP time logged in the jet - he's simply wrong.

 

I'm a military guy who knows nothing, but every piece of advice I've ever been given matches what S2G said above. Anyone else have experience that matches Rick's advice? Obviously isn't going to change anything, I'm just curious.

 

My guess, if you're a mil bubba that did a tour as an IP (tracom, FRS, RTU, etc), the guys interviewing you will realize you taught student pilots and flew a ton!

Bottom line: Definition of IP time is clearly not well defined since none of us really know golden rule. I'm sure this can be easily explained in any interview...assuming you get one. Good luck to all.

 

Agree completely with S2G. My brief airline experience validated that they valued IP time.

 

While that may be true in terms of conventional wisdom, pilots of this generation have had to endure constant change...at least in ACC. TAMI 21, regular ALPHA tours, short-notice MC-12 gigs...it just ain't like it used to be where a guy could "grow" up in an MWS and reach EP in his first assignment or so. White jets, for AD bubbas, aren't dropping nearly in the quantities they once were. Maybe things are different in AMC, but in ACC it's difficult to stay flying in your MWS. Hell, sometimes it just difficult to stay flying, period. Ask just about any bro at Creech or Cannon. I flew the B-1, was an ALO for three years, did the MC-12 gig, and am now flying the RC-135. I have yet to reach IP in anything. I know bros in my situation are hoping the airlines will see value in the diversity of aircraft and missions. I'll be an IP for the first time in my last year (2013)...I think I'll be able to explain why during my DAL interview. If not, at least my frau makes good money.

 

No one was saying that you HAD to have military instructor time, just responding to a post that said the airlines didn't care for instructor time or would give more credit to other times.
Your background is everything that is required to go on to the P121 world. I wouldn't worry about having to explain anything.

USMCFLYR

 

Hey, what's all this generation talk !??.............. I'm not that old, am I?

Thanks for pointing out my over-simplification of those without IP time. I forgot how much the AF changed over the last 5 years, and yes, the MC-12 thing came about after I left the big Blue. So, maybe I am old.

Sounds like you have some solid experience that will make you more than qualified to drive a Delta jet. Good luck with the job hunt.

 

Rick,
Do you have a reference for the first paragraph? I don't know of any restriction stating it must be in the same a/c. Not many scenarios that would need multiple aircraft working together civilian. However, there are a multitude in the military. IMHO, If an instructor is instructing(teaching a student) skills related to his flying mission or aviation in general, then log IP time.

Not sure where the second statement came from either. Is this referencing instructing in a 152 vs flying sched ops? Everything I have heard is to the contrary.
PC